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Old October 7th, 2008, 11:54 AM
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Firefox Embedded video position, float issue?

Hi,

I have been beating my head against the wall here. My video position in firefox shows up over top of my other nested divs/classes.

www.binaryshopper.com

The site renders perfect in IE. When you spend more time on CSS than programming, something is wrong!

I love CSS but it still doesn't do what it was intended to do. After years of CSS, you still have better control over layout using crappy tables!!

Can someone please help me here before I start shooting Firefox developers?

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Old October 7th, 2008, 02:42 PM
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You are trying to compare a browser that is 10 years behind web standards (IE) with one that is modern and current (Firefox). If your page works in IE but not Firefox, then you coded it wrong. Always, always use Firefox as your reference browser for how things should work. Then you can look up the known hacks to fix IE, the worst browser on the planet.

In addition, you have 22 HTML errors and 12 CSS errors though not all would be related to this. And you are using XHTML end tags, />, but declare HTML. Plus, you need to remove the spaces before the doctype. Anything before the doctype can put IE into 'quirks mode' (I don't recall that spaces do that, though).

<link> is supposed to be in the <head>.

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Old October 7th, 2008, 02:50 PM
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You are trying to compare a browser that is 10 years behind web standards (IE) with one that is modern and current (Firefox). If your page works in IE but not Firefox, then you coded it wrong. Always, always use Firefox as your reference browser for how things should work. Then you can look up the known hacks to fix IE, the worst browser on the planet.

In addition, you have 22 HTML errors and 12 CSS errors though not all would be related to this. And you are using XHTML end tags, />, but declare HTML. Plus, you need to remove the spaces before the doctype. Anything before the doctype can put IE into 'quirks mode' (I don't recall that spaces do that, though).


Can someone please address the issue in question? The problem isn't in IE, it's Firefox.

I have no desire to correct all of the errors. I just want this problem fixed. The 12 errors don't relate. Fixing css "errors" is a terrible cycle. As soon as i fix those, 12 more will pop up or my page will be 2,000 pixels wide in IE.

I don't care if it validates (waste of time). I want control over how this ONE DIV is displayed.

Reme,ber, i am takling about ONE div. Surely a browser as "advanced" as Firefox can PLACE ONE FREAKIN DIV where I want it!!


Sorry for the rant, but i am frustrated. There is no need for this OVER ONE div!!

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Old October 7th, 2008, 02:53 PM
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Can someone please address the issue in question? The problem isn't in IE, it's Firefox.
You coded to a bug. The problem is IE.
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I have no desire to correct all of the errors.
Why we won't help you.
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Surely a browser as "advanced" as Firefox can PLACE ONE FREAKIN DIV where I want it!!
Yes, all browsers can read your mind.

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Old October 7th, 2008, 03:21 PM
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You coded to a bug. The problem is IE.
Why we won't help you. Yes, all browsers can read your mind.


"I am not claiming that your page, once validated, will automatically render flawlessly in every browser; it may not."

Taken from your link.

Thank you for reiterating everything everyone already knows. That's a big help! Don't think for one second that I already went through validation or searched endlessly for an answer.

Don't piss down my back and tell me it's rainin'.

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Old October 7th, 2008, 03:25 PM
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You're only reading what you want to read. From the same link:
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But if your markup is nowhere near valid, you’ll be flying blind when something goes wrong.

Validation may solve your problem. HTML is not "anything goes"; it has rules of how elements can be used and combined.

Valid markup is hard enough to debug already.

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Validation is an indicator of cluefulness. There are a lot of people who need our help, and there are relatively few of us who have the combination of time, expertise, and inclination to debug the work of strangers for free.

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You coded to a bug. The problem is IE.
Why we won't help you. Yes, all browsers can read your mind.



Sorry!! I put the wrong link.

Here is the new link:

www.binaryshopper.com/test.php

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Old October 7th, 2008, 03:55 PM
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You're only reading what you want to read. From the same link:

And especially:


Sorry to waste your precious time!!

Just say you don't know how to fix the problem, you don't know what the answer is, it's okay!

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For future reference

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You coded to a bug. The problem is IE.
Why we won't help you. Yes, all browsers can read your mind.


For future reference, I had to hack firefox to get this to work. It had nothing to do with validation (which is a HUGE waste of time).

Firefox has bugs! So does IE.

One last thing - Remember this so the next time you feel inclined to copy and paste your validation script you don't come out looking like John McCain.

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See http://forums.devshed.com/css-help-...deo-562177.html

It was not Firefox at fault. You used an invalid attribute value in an invalid element. That's what made validation of your html less helpful to you. It was the validation process that guided me to the solution.

The real instigator is IE, which uses active-x. No modern browser does that, but the IE oriented use of the object tag does not work in other browsers unless they are built to non-standard rendering. If not for IE, you could simply use the object element as designed.

Further, the type value, application/x-mplayer2, is not a valid MIME type. Nor is the javascript standard.

Even if your browser manages to work with the javascript (FF manages, Opera doesn't), there's the non-standard streaming protocol, mms:. You can go into Firefox, and force recognition of mms: and declare an application for it. Some builds may come that way, mine didn't; for either Windows or Linux.

If you expect x-browser usage, you'd better write standards valid html, css and javascript, and you'd best use standard MIME types and protocols.

The next time someone tells you you need to fix your code, just fix it, or be satisfied with knowing you've written buggy code for a buggy browser.

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