CSS Help
 
Forums: » Register « |  User CP |  Games |  Calendar |  Members |  FAQs |  Sitemap |  Support | 
User Name:
Password:
Remember me
Go Back   Dev Shed ForumsWeb DesignCSS Help

Reply
Add This Thread To:
  Del.icio.us   Digg   Google   Spurl   Blink   Furl   Simpy   Y! MyWeb 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
 
Unread Dev Shed Forums Sponsor:
  #1  
Old June 10th, 2003, 01:41 AM
mindfriction's Avatar
mindfriction mindfriction is offline
<blah>
Dev Shed Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 471 mindfriction User rank is Sergeant (500 - 2000 Reputation Level)mindfriction User rank is Sergeant (500 - 2000 Reputation Level)mindfriction User rank is Sergeant (500 - 2000 Reputation Level)mindfriction User rank is Sergeant (500 - 2000 Reputation Level)mindfriction User rank is Sergeant (500 - 2000 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 5 Days 23 h 29 m 49 sec
Reputation Power: 16
Post Using CSS instead of nesting tables!??

I realise table nesting makes a page load slower, and the less nesting the better. -But I havent found any good reason (due to CSS incomptability or browsers not implementing the DOM etc properly) to supplement my table nesting with CSS/div/layers

Can someone show me a complex site which implments CSS and 'less' table nesting? Even point me in the right direction of a good CSS resource online..

Thanks in advance.
__________________
mind[*]friction
informative articles for web devs: www.melbournechapter.net

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old June 10th, 2003, 05:22 AM
icy_polecat's Avatar
icy_polecat icy_polecat is offline
Senior Polecat
Dev Shed Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Jersey (the original version)
Posts: 210 icy_polecat User rank is Just a Lowly Private (1 - 20 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 59 m 57 sec
Reputation Power: 6
Send a message via Yahoo to icy_polecat
I've only developed one site which used css-p instead of tables and spent absolutely ages trying to get it to work in all browsers (in the end I had to give up on NN4).

I can't show you the site as it isn't public yet.

the best CSS site i've seen is http://www.alistapart.com/ but it isn't very complex. I think that, until the browsers catch up and provide 100% compatibility accross the board, talbes are going to remain the prominent designers tool.
__________________
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

http://www.XSet.co.uk

Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old June 10th, 2003, 09:47 AM
shp shp is offline
Junior Member
Dev Shed Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 17 shp User rank is Just a Lowly Private (1 - 20 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: < 1 sec
Reputation Power: 0
There is a tutorial at http://developer.apple.com/internet...ocsslayout.html that covers converting a fairly complex nested table layout to css.

Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old June 10th, 2003, 10:47 PM
mindfriction's Avatar
mindfriction mindfriction is offline
<blah>
Dev Shed Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 471 mindfriction User rank is Sergeant (500 - 2000 Reputation Level)mindfriction User rank is Sergeant (500 - 2000 Reputation Level)mindfriction User rank is Sergeant (500 - 2000 Reputation Level)mindfriction User rank is Sergeant (500 - 2000 Reputation Level)mindfriction User rank is Sergeant (500 - 2000 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 5 Days 23 h 29 m 49 sec
Reputation Power: 16
Thanks dudes, but nothing still convinces me to use CSS instead of nested tables, even if it will make my pages load faster, taking into these points alone
As quoted from http://developer.apple.com/internet...ocsslayout.html
Quote:
Layout limitations: The fact is that CSS layout will not currently allow you to do everything you can do with tables. This can be a real frustration, and has stopped many people from exploring what CSS can do. (I'll show you in this article that CSS
can do quite a bit.)

Slight differences in browser display: CSS is difficult for browser makers to implement, and the W3C recommendations can be vague and confusing. So you can expect even the most recent browsers to behave differently when dealing with some aspects of CSS layout. Keep your layout simple enough and you will likely get a nearly identical display in Opera 5+, NS6, and IE5+. But as your layout increases in complexity, the odds that different browsers will render pages differently also increases.

Difficulty in switching from tables to CSS: For designers and developers accustomed to wrangling tables, using CSS for layout can be a confusing change. There is a "table mentality" that we developers have taken on over the years, and we are in large part unaware that it exists. Some take offense when this is pointed out, complaining instead that CSS is just difficult and non-intuitive. But if you were accustomed to driving a car with a steering wheel and you were then asked to head out on the freeway in a car steered with foot pedals, you certainly wouldn't be offended at the suggestion you had a "steering wheel mentality." The fact is, we are generally comfortable with tables. CSS layout is different, but we must not confuse differences with increased complexity.

Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old June 11th, 2003, 05:56 AM
toofan toofan is offline
:: cerebralshock ::
Dev Shed Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Everywhere & nowhere.
Posts: 133 toofan User rank is Just a Lowly Private (1 - 20 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 39 m 19 sec
Reputation Power: 6
See http://forums.devshed.com/t64196/s.html for a similar debate...

Reply With Quote
Reply

Viewing: Dev Shed ForumsWeb DesignCSS Help > Using CSS instead of nesting tables!??


Thread Tools  Search this Thread 
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes  Rate This Thread 
Rate This Thread:


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
View Your Warnings | New Posts | Latest News | Latest Threads | Shoutbox
Forum Jump


Forums: » Register « |  User CP |  Games |  Calendar |  Members |  FAQs |  Sitemap |  Support | 
  
 





© 2003-2008 by Developer Shed. All rights reserved. DS Cluster 5 hosted by Hostway