It would seem I am always "taking" from this sites and never giving much back, but not today. I had posted a message a few days ago which generated a reply with a link to this site - While I was there, I requested a sample download of some chapters of a book. It was in the book "Html without tables" or something like that they pointed me to this sample site - What an awesome way to learn css layout. I checked it in both IE and NS and it was pefect. There are three .html files and one style sheet. I know I will be studying this code if only to get the basics down. I hope this works for you.