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Old May 21st, 2003, 10:19 AM
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Anyone using Mozilla Firebird?

Just downloaded Moz FB 0.6 this wknd @ home, now @ work.

It smokes. Its easily faster than Moz 1.21 and MSIE 6. If you're on Moz 1.x or MSIE, its worth taking a look at it.

Anyone else using Moz FB? Thoughts? Impressions?
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Old May 21st, 2003, 10:45 AM
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Yes - as a matter of fact I use Mozilla to output records from my Firebird Database.
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Old May 21st, 2003, 10:48 AM
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Old May 21st, 2003, 10:58 AM
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Yes - as a matter of fact I use Mozilla to output records from my Firebird Database.


lol

fwiw, Firebird is just an internal project name for Mozilla's next browser.

Getting pissed at Mozilla for using the name Firebird would be like getting pissed at MS for using the name 'longhorn ', or at apple for using the name 'jaguar' to describe their operating system releases.

Once MozFB is passed the current v1.4 release, it'll use the name 'mozilla', just like their current browser.

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Old May 21st, 2003, 11:03 AM
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using Mozilla Firebird 0.6 atm, it is becomming my main browser on linux,
but still using moz1.4b in windows,

its ok, but there is something i'm missing compared to mozilla, and there some changes i don't like, mainly just how the menus are set up,
but nothing i don't can get used to.

but i like how they've gathered themes and extensions at one site, making it easy to find the most usefull.

impressed how it has evolved since the 0.5 version. ( though i have used some the nightly built for a while now,)

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drgroove: yes, that is what they are saying now after they had a huge backlash against them.

1. State that your project is going to use same name as someone elses and that your legal team has decided that its okay (don't bother asking the other prject here)
2. Get heaps of crap thrown at you for making that choice. Argue that you have every right to do this and there is nothing they can do about it.
3. Do a backflip and say 'Oh what are you getting annoyed about, its a project name only' aka Them talking to legal team and legal team telling them to do that and tell everyone to get stuffed.

I think that sums up the situation quite well.

Oh and yes i do use Firebird at work but use the browser only install of the complete app suite (Seamonkey) at home.

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Old May 21st, 2003, 11:11 AM
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drgroove: yes, that is what they are saying now after they had a huge backlash against them.

1. State that your project is going to use same name as someone elses and that your legal team has decided that its okay (don't bother asking the other prject here)
2. Get heaps of crap thrown at you for making that choice. Argue that you have every right to do this and there is nothing they can do about it.
3. Do a backflip and say 'Oh what are you getting annoyed about, its a project name only' aka Them talking to legal team and legal team telling them to do that and tell everyone to get stuffed.

I think that sums up the situation quite well.

Oh and yes i do use Firebird at work but use the browser only install of the complete app suite (Seamonkey) at home.


Good point.

Well, I can't defend their actions in this whole mess... at least they did the right thing in the end, and renamed the browser back to just Mozilla. Outside of all the political crap they've gotten themselves into, its still a great browser.

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lol - I ain't mad at em. I am sort of a little discouraged by there actions, especially the changing of the documentation to try to cover up the big mess that they caused and the removal of threads on the mozillazine forum (which did happen - I was doing some writing on the dilema and had a good thread from the discussion bookmarked to go back to for my writing, and it was gone). But, it is all over with, so its all good now...

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Old May 21st, 2003, 11:24 AM
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Oh there is no denying that point. Thats why, despite them acting like trolls, I am still using the browser. It will take a lot more than this issue to cause me to go back to IE.

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Hehe... I agree with Joe that it was a not the classiest behavior on the part of a few Mozilla people. And trying to cover up without any apology... .

But, the new Mozilla release is nice. And the fact that it does NTLM authentication is a major step toward relieving many businesses of dependence on IE.

So, I hope eventually we can all get past this and back to the real business of geeks everywhere -- trashing Microsoft .

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lol - I ain't mad at em. I am sort of a little discouraged by there actions, especially the changing of the documentation to try to cover up the big mess that they caused and the removal of threads on the mozillazine forum (which did happen - I was doing some writing on the dilema and had a good thread from the discussion bookmarked to go back to for my writing, and it was gone). But, it is all over with, so its all good now...
Ditto. The thing that discouraged me was that there was an intransigent arrogance coming from the leaders of the project. I'm sure that the majority of the Mozilla developers are fine people, but some of their supporters showed very little empathy for the Firebird point of view. My favorite mozillaZine quote:
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we should burn Firebird RDBMS packages on the street while dancing around them and spitting and kicking on them, and stuff.
Sweet! There's nothing like rubbing salt into an open wound to get a reaction out of someone.

The main 54-page thread that "disappeared" from the forums can be found here:
http://www.mozillazine.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9133

Having said that, they make a great browser. My favorite feature is right clicking a hyperlink and selecting "Open in a New Tab". Every time I get on a machine with just IE I realize what a pain it is to have all those separate open windows. Having all my webpages opened in a single browser is really helpful.

Zsa Zsa Gabor had a great quote when she said "I never hated a man enough to give him his diamonds back." As annoying as Mozilla was, I'm not going to toss their browser aside just to spite them.

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Old May 21st, 2003, 09:58 PM
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I like the tabs feature too. I have scrolling mouse and have finger on scroll wheel a lot when using web. Just click on link by pressing scroll wheel and link loads in new tab

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if you like tabs i recommend
the Tabbrowser Extensions addon
http://texturizer.net/firebird/exte...er%20Extensions

works in moz and mozFB,

the extension allows you to have full control over the windows, like you can
set how the focus of the tabs shall be,
make everything open in tab regardless of
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