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hear hear,

tend to agree with the poster , ok 'read the rules' is not the rudest thing in the world and we have freebsd to help proove that..

but , if anyone spoke to me face to face the way noobs are often spoken/answered to here they would have to duck.

The thing that irks me most is when peeps complain about having to reply to these posts, i.e. the post has an ambiguous title ... then dont read it !! , dont reply, whatever , if someone else wants to then let them, how hard is that ?

'Serial offenders' as it were , do need a helping hand there is no doubt ...
but devshed has become one of the most unfriendly PHP forums these days , at phpbuilder they just ignore you , at sitepoint they are a little lax but all seems to flow regardless, a few other forums are just happy to have anyone turn up in the first place, but rather than direct people to devshed forums these days (toots etc are still good) I direct them elsewhere , I don't know how hard it is to be polite , but if people wanna be abused well thats what IRC is for.

my 2c anyway.

Hmmmmm these threads pop up every now and then about how we are rude (And yes I do include myself in that 'we' because I am a serial abuser as some of you like to put it) the result is always the same.

We are the people that make this forum what it is, we answer the questions, we therefore govern to a degree how the questions are put to us. If you don't like it don't use the forum, we don't tell people to get lost, we don't tell them to go elsewhere because we won't help them, we tell them what to do in order to get the best help from this particular forum.

At the end of the day, most of the people who make such 'rude' responces are generally well established people with a great deal of knowledge to share. If such people step out of line to such an extent that they were very wrong then they would either get a reply from other such members telling them they were out of line or Randy or Zues would pick it up with them.

no, you have the choice to help or not help as you see fit.



err so how does that help devshed ? , or the user , ok anyone except those too clever to lower themselves to think about answering questions that are not filed in triplicate ?

this is supposed to be a help forum.

, that suggests to me that one may expect 'help' not snarf or snyde remarks, especially to those beginning the 'trade'.

again I know from experience that some peeps never learn and they need a slap upside the bracket to get it into them , but if you can not differentiate between those people and those who are just plain noobs with some civility then ....

`well if there's one thing I can't stand its intolerance`

I agree with most of that.

The "rules" are in place to make this forum better for all, not just the people who've been around for a while. If new folks follow the "rules", they will get help with greater ease.

Also, the "rules" aren't just there to have all forum users post in a similar style or whatever. Rules such as "give the thread a relevant title", "be precise and to the point" and "give all the relevant details and leave out the irrelevant ones" apply to real life as well. If these things aren't yet obvious to a DevShed Forum user, and he agrees to learn them, he'll have learned a lesson for life, not just for this place here.

I also don't think that "Read the rules" or "Read the sticky threads" is rude. A nicer post could be made, but you have to understand that it is annoying to read the same questions over and over again which can be answered in the Sticky threads (such as "I posted a variable named var, and when I echo $var, nothing is outputted!"), so people will sometimes not be bothered to give a full and detailed answer.

Wow... I feel like I'm reading the PHP mailing list all over again. We just had this discussion on there, too.

Bottom line, get over it. There are good questions, bad questions, and stupid ones... along with good answers, bad answers, and stupid ones. It's a fact of life.

99% of the people who come here get good help. Honestly, if you get chased away from here because of a rude answer, you've got issues.

---John Holmes...

No one has suggested that the rules are wrong or that its ok to ignore them, the post title says it .. 'blatantly rude' and its as simple as that ..

and to be blunt senior members and moderators should really be the first to make an effort perhaps to lead by example.

why be blatantly rude when a simple smilie or the slightest hint to the member as to what they have done wrong is not hard work and would make the devshed forums a more pleasant place for all concerned ?

The most wonderful part of learning PHP for me was the fantastic, friendly helpful , freely given advice that was available from the PHP community mostly without the condesceding arrogance you may typically find in low-level programming circles.

just saying its a shame is all.

OK... "blatently rude" is wrong. A little rude with some guidance as to how to find the right answer yourself is perfectly acceptable.

---John Holmes...

The point is though that for the most part we are not rude stating 'Read the Rules' is not rude it is just abrupt, if I turn't around and said 'Go read the frigin rules you dumb ....' then fair enough you would have a case, but I have yet to see that happen.

The forum is made up of a whole lot of personalities and there are some times going to be clashes of opinion. The only time I have seen things get nasty around here is when we express that they should read the rules and then they return with something un polite so we of course as per human nature retaliate.

At the end of the day some people come here with a little time and try to offer as much help as they can to the newbies etc, if they come across a post that is not adhering to the rules then why should they spend heaps of time writing out a nice polite message when 'Read the rules' does the exact same job.

I am labled as rude as in the past I have forced people to read the rules or have there threads locked. Funny thing is that every thread that I have locked the same user has since followed by the rules - can't say that about simple warnings tho.

Another funny thing is that every since I stopped locking threads (by members request's) - more and more of the posts are again breaking the rules. Go figure - some say we are not doing enough to prevent these things and at the same time we are being labled as rude by other members...

It is against my better judgment to even approach this topic, at the risk of generating ire amongst my fellow forum members. However, I've often thought of starting a post along this very same subject lines, so I feel the need to weigh in on this post.

I honestly have to agree wholeheartedly with firepages' take on this issue. I think that, in addition to the rules posted for the devshed forum, perhaps a 'sticky' post which addresses the (seeming lack of) netiquette presented by various members of the forum would provide a platform for which members could model their own posting behavior. [i.e., "How to be a pleasant forum member" ... something along those lines...]

One of my initial experiences on devshed brought me face to face w/ what I have since heard called the Devshed Nazi (I won't mention this person's screen name, but this is the moniker he/she is known by). Yes, I did "break" a rule - I believe I used a word such as "help" or "urgent" in my post title - however, this being one of my first 5 posts on devshed, I was more than put off by the vehement response I received from the DN (devshed nazi).

Anyhow... since this experience, I have read the rules, advised others to do so, but I have also heard complaints from several industry peers outside of the forum that, in their view, devshed is not a viable resource, due to the way beginners who "don't follow all of their [devshed's] f***ing rules" are treated (my colleagues' words, not mine). The stance several of my colleagues take is that, if this is the way beginners are treated, then they will not participate in the forum.

I think that this position is a bit extreme personally, but I can understand to a certain extent where they're coming from.

So, moderators, what say you? Perhaps a sticky post on forum etiquette could aid in belaying the grief some beginners are given by senior members?

What forums are they talking about? Devshed covers a lot of topics. I really only read the PHP and MySQL forums along with this one and I rarely see this behavior towards newbies. Once in a while, yes, but not often enough for it to be the "crisis" everyone thinks it is.

---John Holmes...

oh yeah, just what this place needs is another sticky thread. hell make 10 more sticky threads so we can scroll two pages down just to see the real topics. it's real user friendly to require new visitors to spend 2 hours reading before theyre allowed to make a post.

And on your first point, yeah there are far too many pompous asshats around here who wear their registration date like a badge of honor or something. answer the newb questions or don't answer the newb questions, but quit acting like youre important because of your post count. (rant not directed at you drgroove, just the asshats around here (you know who you are))