Dreamweaver quality editor for Linux

Is there a WYSIWYG comparable to dreamweaver for Linux?

Staroffice doesn't handle php and stuff very well, netscape 4 composer doesn't have a lot of tools, and netscape 6 composer is a pile of crap.

I guess I could try to run Dreamweaver through Wine, though that proably wont work at all.

Buy an iMac

Never use Macs ...

Codeweavers' app db says some kind of Dreamweaver works with Wine - read here.

Don't use dreamweaver anyway, Linux/Mac/PC or whatever. It just bloats your code. Use a text-editor and be a real programmer.

That's right. However, some ppl think it's the non-plus-ultra of development

The best HTML editor for Linux is imho Quanta+.

Yes because HTML is such an advanced programming language

I've even heard people say that they "can program HTML", or refer to the act of writing HTML as "programming HTML"

Anyway, Dreamweaver is a really neat tool. Writing HTML by hand is like writing GUI code by hand; boring and repetitive and thus a perfect candidate for automation.

What we need is a standarized compiled template system for PHP with some designer software to go with it, imagine how easy it would be to write your user interfaces! You could just write the core system and define it's interface, then just slap a GUI on top of it. "Model View Controller" rocks!

Dreamweaver is awesome, and you are right it does bloat your code, but if you are a good coder you know that and know how to fix it easily, Dreamweaver is great for setting up then handcoding where necessary I think a good programmer/coder knows all the tools in his box and uses each to thier best advantage, so while you are still coding the first page I will be done.

Yeah, sure.

However, there is only so much you can have automatized - I delete immediately any HTML editor that goes beyond DOCTYPE, html, head and body in new files. And I prefer editors where I can do this stuff myself.

If I was a good coder, why should I use a WYSIWYG tool anyway?

I am not sure about you guys but my clients want a fully dynamic site in PHP and MySQL in less than 2 weeks of development, so creating the templates in dreamweaver and fireworks then cleaning up whatever I need and inserting the php, I mean its a lesson in economics, my boss will get three time the work out of me because I know how to use these tools to my advantage vs a pure hand coder that also has typing mistakes (and I don't care who you are when you type 300 lines of code by hand there are bound to be mistakes).

If you're typing 300 lines of code that can be done by a WYSIWYG thing, there's often something wrong with your concept.

I am a bit confused what do you mean about the something wrong with my concept, you may have misunderstood me, when developing php apps, I use the wysisyg editor to do the easy work (maybe 70 lines max) then the rest is hand coded, but that is 70 lines that are done in 4 minutes instead of 20. Like I said I might of misunderstood your meaning.

There are rarely any 300 lines of code that

1. make sense or
2. can't be done with a simple script or
3. can't be done with cut & paste

Jeez - what it is with HTML coding? Every time this arguement comes up, you always get the zealots moaning on about how much better hand coding is. They also always claim that HTML created by WYSIWYG editors is bloated and bad quality...

Yet all the sites I created using Dreamweaver are 100% W3C compliant with little or no modifications required. They're also pretty cross-browser compatable, and slight modifications are easy to make within Dreamweaver in the code view. Sure some WYSIWYG editors churn out piss poor, bloated and incompatable html (Frontpage springs to mind ) - but Dreamweaver is no Frontpage.

The point is, I could write the code by hand, but why bother with tedious and boring HTML coding when Dreamweaver will sort it out in the fraction of the time? I don't know about you, but I'd much rather spend my time writing my applications, rather than wasting time on hand coding my HTML.

Well I use notepad, or pico depending on if I'm QVTnetting or not. Depends what you mean by fully dynamic site. I mean I've never had to do anything that's required anything like Dreamweaver (I've got it at home, along with homesite and a few others) when using PHP or ASP. The only time I've ever had to use Homesite was when somebody sent me an excel formatted HTML file to be on the web in minutes... I used Homesite cos it has a button that you can get to in seconds that whips out all the unnecessary code. Priceless. I've happily coded 30 pages of ASP in under a week for a fully dynamic site using nothing other than Notepad.

Okay so I better add just in case I'm classed as a tedious zealot or anything. Our company has web sites outsourced. They were built before I got here but I was asked to look at how they could be improved. The first thing that was evident was the fact that the company producing them used Dreamweaver. The web site had a menu system that catered for every browser on the planet and was seriously OTT. The first page you need to download has a 34k js file. Hand coding I could get this to 7k for the same functionality. It may be W3C compliant our web site (or possibly not) but it's such a big load that it even takes up to 15 seconds on 128kbps to get on screen. That's too slow, way to slow. You lose 5% of customers per second of download time. That's why I don't use such software. Added to that it uses font tags a lot, and that isn't HTML4 is it?

Oh and if you look, it was about PHP originally the question and not HTML. I mean hardly anybody writes web apps with lots of HTML anymore because there's so much dynamic stuff. I mean, the thing I'm currently working on has about 100 pages and about 100 lines of HTML across the lot.

I work in the advertising world (I really am sorry for those 300k web pages the damn designers just wont listen ) and everything is done fast and yet we do a lot of dynamic crap as well, plus I feel ok letting some intern take a fireworks file slicing it up putting it in dreamweaver, I go clean up whatever little problems there are and integrate my php inside, this discussion could go on for ever there is no right answer, its all a matter of preference