Page 3 - Flames too easy on DevShed?

Datamike:
Sorry you thought that. I didn't think my answer merited being called an asshole though which was the main reason for the "flame" that followed.

Silky, once again I have to agree with you. I do not consider many of the posts here to be true *flames*. They might be harsh on occasion, but flames, not really... Most of them are quite innocent actually...

munkfish, I wouldn't wanna call you an ***hole for that reply. The man simply had it coming...

And Al, I should probaly congratulate you on the parenthood thing. Puts things in another perspective, right? I know, been there, done that... And I think you have a point there, you've gotta lead them in the right direction for their own good...

//NoXcuz

Okei, haven't been online during the weekend so I've missed some possibilities to reply. First things first.

munkfish: Note, only three asterisks, so you leave the "hole" out of it. And it was more like a figure of speech. Further more, I find it hilarious that so many are okei with the fact that it's okei to flame on newbies and use whatever language you can summon, but if he/she reponses to that he is immediately considered hostile and out of line. And yes, I found your comments (in that particular forum) unnessecery and out of order. But hey, that's just me...

If my comment was offensive to you, I do apologize. I was only trying to make a point.

In general if you want to change the behavior of the new users (which I'm not sure you can) you won't accomblish much with flaming. Take my word for it. It's just like NoXcuz, "what goes around, comes around".

I also respect many people here; AlCapone, JD, freebsd, NoXcuz, SepodatiCreations, etc. But still, that does not stop me from telling what I believe. All people (both good and great) make mistakes.

If you people wish to make things better, make them change. Flaming and gathering to bands against the new users won't do the trick. I actually have some good suggestions for that. One way would be to send the "This is how you post", by JeffCT along with the welcome e-mail, when people successfully register. And give an easy link to a page with that information already in the forum index.

Datamike

All is peace... It's just I don't often take exception to posts that are misplaced or have bad subjects in them - as long as the content is good and the prob description sound. I think in that occasion I thought the guy could easily have found the solution on his own, can't be that hard finding out what the max filename len is (touch aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.file). Guess I should have been less sarcastic... enough of that already!!! '***' is kewl

OK I'm on a be nice to newbies mission from now on.

Do you know the difference between we pros and newbies? That most of the times we come to the forum without any question to do, and read the posts in order to find the solution to a problem that we do not have.

This way we are learning, and we know that, if ever needed, the solution IS in the forum, so we search for it. And we also learn from the common newbies mistakes.

And that's the difference. We want to learn, they want to get the code done. I never write exact code in my replies to make people suffer a little to get the answer. I think that from now on, I'll make my explanations like this:




By the way, some time ago I asked to Devshed admins to create a forum about algorithms and programming techniques, in which to held questions like "how to build an i18n system for a website" ?

What happened ? Don't you find it useful ?

Hey, that sounds like a great idea. Could be even interesting for you pros. Mods, what do you think?

Use that little Contact Us link at the bottom of the page and let them know what you want...

---John Holmes...

And I received answer from you, redirecting my mail to webmaster@devshed.com. I'm surprised that devshed admin is mute, so I sent you 'cause you are something more than most of us.

I think it can be interesting, and opening a new forum shouldn't be any trouble, is it?

no...it takes all of two minutes....I just don't have those privs.

Send an email again, and anyone else interested do the same thing...

I don't think it would generate much traffic, though...maybe that's why they're not doing it.

---John Holmes...

I think you've raised a very interesting question here about why most of us 'pros' (:eek come visit the boards and help out when we seldom have our own problems to ask about.

Personally I agree with you - I like the challenges posed by some of the questions raised on the boards (particularly on the PHP board), and I like solving the problems - or at least trying to . I also like the idea that in the future someone with a similar problem would be able to search the forum and find a well written and easy to follow solution. Ok, no solution is every 'exclusively' 100% perfect for any given problem, but I like the thought that I can help someone else out along the line.

And what you say about 'teasing' users, giving 'pseudocode' or such like... the way I go about dealing with the thought 'mmm, do I want to give this person something for nothing' is as follows - when I find a problem posted that seems to be mentioned quite a bit, I'll put a bit of effort in to solve the prob and comment the code thoroughly inside out and then save the code. This way the solution makes more sense to the poster and with a bit of luck I'll eventually get around to uploading these small snippets of script to a site and making them into a coding tutorial gallery. Eventually

Sounds like a good idea about the coding tips and tecniques though, would this be language independent?

Good point. If it's language independant, it's either some sort of graph or a vague description. Graphics are (almost) impossible to implement in this case and

is not really clear to newbies. I know what it says because I wrote it and most (or all) of you know because you are pros, but the "I've just been told about PHP, how can I do this" ppl won't. :-(

So it's got to be some kind of programming language. And since real pseudocode is actually sometimes harder to read than a script language, we may as well use one of those. So the choice is narrowed to PHP and JavaScript, which are similar in the general structure ("for", "while", "if" and the operators). Of course, pseudofunctions could be used to keep the algorithm short. Sort of


Btw, isn't it time to start a new thread (and vote?) on this matter?

I'm an older newbie here And don't find people to be rude or anything. This is a message board not a commercial help desk. I've asked what? 160 questions and maybe helped 20 people, maybe? I'd love to help more and sometimes I'll research the manual and do some testing to figure out the answer myslef then post it but that's only when I have a few hours to do this.

munkfish, SepodatiCreations, and others has helped me so much in the past year. I do search and read before posting a question 99.9% of times and it's not hard to do.

I try my best to respect the members here because they do help out and they don't have to at all! The least we can do to thank them as newbies to programming is to respect the members of this board. And if they ask for; clear titles, accurate questions, and for me to RTFM. I will.

Well I will take the oppurtunity to thank all those who help out and I swear once I become a PHP guru I will continue to come here and help other newbies

My .02 CANADIAN cents!

P.S. I missed the point again did I? Oh well...

realnowhereman - yeah I'm not quite sure what Thrasher meant I guess by a forum for 'algorithms and coding techniques' - Thrasher? Maybe you should open a new thread about it?

Your snippet up there realnowhereman reminds me of when I tried to explain to someone recently how regular expressions work in plain english, quite a task.