Indian CEO Says Most US Tech Grads "Unemployable"

Indian CEO Says Most US Tech Grads "Unemployable"http://www.informationweek.com/blog...LRSKH0CJUNN2JVN

Is he right?

It's quite hard to answer that without coming off as totally racist. Screw it. Of course they will be too expensive to train for india. Using a PayScale search for "Software Engineer" in India you get an average annual wage of $4,922. The same for someone in the US is roughly $59,000. It seems about right when I look at the UK version when comparing it to my friends when they came out of Uni, £16k to £22ish.

There's the whole cost of living. It's not like India is one of the most expensive countries to live in. A quick search for cost of living pulls up this page. There's loads more like that where they say the average monthly cost of living is around $416. That's around £250 a month for me. My house rent alone is £800 per month. I pay £166 per month on council tax.

I don't mind people outsourcing to India as that's how I got most of my work when I first started up. Not that I'm Indian or worked in India. It was always the same story. Some big company here in Manchester would want to save money so they'd take the work off some local development company and send it to their new Indian comrades. The greedy managers couldn't believe the whole "we have a team of two million billion developers who can make your site in 1 day and it will cost you 75% less than your old developers". When the inevetible "getting shafted" occured they'd be too embarrased to return to their original development studio and I'd get the call. Easy cash.

He's right about the cost but that's about it imo.

Yes its only about the cost and debate here should be only in that paradigm. I agree on the views expressed by Tann San. USA and India are two different countries with different lifestyles and different pay scales for employees. A common man have to spend/pay more for daily necessities depending on the cities they live. Hence their wages needs to be matched to their lifestyles.

He's absolutely correct. Neither our high schools nor our colleges are teaching our children. Google for something like "high school grad reading level" or "literacy of college graduates."

The news is appalling.



There are good reasons for some people:

For most, it's just a failure to staff our schools with teachers who know the subject and how to teach it. We're out to coddle our kids' social aspects, to hell with what they know.

There was some discussion of this recently, maybe in The Longest Thread. It revolved around those who were winning math contests, spelling bees, and so forth.

Even institutions like Harvard are accepting entrants who can't graduate with anything other than some type of "social" degree. That doesn't work, even if you force some employer to accept some number of them with a quota system.

It's pitiful.

Ireland ?

so what's yer point ?

is Ireland a developing country ?

Probably about as much as Brazil is.

China?

No way. We're the opposite: going backwards at a rapid rate.

Would you trust software from shops in China? The poster child for industrial espionage?

Let's look at the quality of the statement, and this in no way should colour your judgement of the prescience of the author or the articleAll countries with stable governments, rich heritages, I'm just having a problem coming to terms with the "author's" term developing, does he mean these are the only countries that develop software ...

Hard to say, since "developing" can be interpreted in a number of ways. "Developing nations" is generally regarded to specify nations that are at the lowest rung in GNI (at least, that's the World Bank's definition.) Ireland certainly isn't among them.

Regarding Ishnid's comment about Ireland moving backwards, as a denizen of the US, we'll race you to the bottom! First one there gets a free doctorate and a guaranteed job effin' thangs up!

I can't speak for Ireland. I'm saying that the successes of the US came from immigrants. As the generations piled up and the successes increased, the quality peaked and started on what seems to be an inevitable decline.

Our best students (there are exceptions, of course) are mainly from the second or third generations of more recent immigrants.

I think it's a cultural attitude from the originating culture. I also think those fleeing oppression are going to do better than those seeking an incremental increase in income. 'Tain't necessarily so; there are beaucoup exceptions, but there seems to be a slight edge for the former.

As a country, we do oppress our immigrants. We just tend to oppress them a tad less than their country of origin. When those originating countries get smart and reduce the oppression to some comparable level, we're going to lose the immigrants that give us our hope of competing.

We will become a nation whose only purpose is as a collection of resources. Right back to the beginning, in other words. A collection of savages relegated to occupying the land while standing back out of the way of the exploiters.

It's a pity, but the humor of the irony doesn't escape me.

I don't know if I am an isolated incident, I find the reverse to be true. I find it easier to get projects done with someone who speaks English as a first language, even if they are, technically "less skillful".

You can hire about 5 indians for the price of one american. Most companies go with the bigger number in this case.

Something tells me employee competency is not the major factor in Vineet's opinion.

ever been on the phone to india for customer support, and having trouble understanding the person at the other end of the line ?