Is this bring up dead thread day?

I believe I have seen several threads that have been brought back from the graveyard today with nothing more than useless comments on them.

What is up with these people!

Ya - I think this is starting to be a normal occurance. We had one guy answering a thread from back in 2001. WTH, these people are killing me...

Would have had more comedy effect to actually resurect a really old thread to post this complaint matey

Why does it bother you that old threads come back?? It shouldnt bother you any more than a new thread...

Well, lets see - first, when bringing up old threads not only is the thread old - the code and code structure is to. So now when the thread is brought back to life, we have a thread floating around on the front of the forum with code that is obsolete. This causes more problems as new users see this and try to use code from these threads and later post threads pertaining to problems in thier apps which points back to the old outdated obsolete code they used from an older thread that they assumed was a good read (a good read a year or so ago, but not now). So in short, it does cause a bit of a problem. This is one of the reasons why most bb systems have archiving features built in - closes and archives the threads for reference purposes only and stop revivals of these obsolete threads.

It is especially important in the php forum as more and more things are deemed obsolete with every passing version and new features are added.

Well by that measure, all older threads suddenly become invalid and useless??? No software becomes obselete as you say, it merely becomes depricated, and un supported, there is a subtle and important difference.

What rubbish, there will always be someone who will be using an older version of whatever compiler, software etc etc. Just because YOU use the latest version of PHP, doesn't mean that Joe Bloggs over there doesn't. I think its perfectly acceptable, as when searching on google, it pulls up a thread, which people wouldn't look at the date on.

Talking about the forums here for a minute, I know there are some excellent developers here, and lots of very very bright people, but a few of the more senior members are very draconian and antiquated in there views. They have become part of the furniture, and as such it gives them the right to whinge and moan about everything that they don't perceive to be correct.

It seems also that there is a complete shift to anality, where people are chastised for bringing up an old thread, yet people (charlieboyd3) are allowed to post explicit links, and foul language with barely a whimper of complaint.

charlieboyd is good for comedy effect and he did get slapped a couple of times in the two forums he posted to. Both times, however, he did actually start out with (relatively...) valid questions for the forums they were posted in, the threads just veered wildly off topic.

As for thread-resurrection..

.. I don't see any value in reviving dead threads. Why pull up a dead conversation about a PHP3 topic that was resolved a year ago? And if the thread died without resolution, what odds are there that answering it a year later is going to do anyone any good? Basically, if you're trying to add information to a 1 year old thread, you're wasting people's time. The thread is dead and gone and almost certainly no one is going to benefit from what you have to say about it now. If you're trying to ask a question based on the dead thread, why aren't you posting your own and linking to it as a reference? You shouldn't be hijacking threads - dead or not.

Now, if it's just a conversation in general (as opposed to a specific question), and you'd like to revive it for further discussion, as long as it's still a valid topic, I don't mind. If it's just an interesting topic in general, go for it (like something here in the Lounge) if you think it's going to interest people.

Otherwise... no...

Well, no - thats why I mentioned code in my post. Someone who is looking for help on code that is years old with obsolete or depreciated syntax has more than just app/code problems, they have other issues they need to resolve first. Why are they using 10 version old compiles when more safer and secure compiles are available - and available free of charge.


Well, if you seen that thread I did complain about his language, and that was the only reason for me posting to it. Unfortainatly, I can't do anything in that forum and I am sure you know if that was posted in the PHP it would have been swiftly removed.

But resurected threads, I don't complain. I just don't like them floating around on the main forum for the reasons I specified.


We are not here (at least I am not and I hope others are not too) to promote an antique compiled version of PHP, or for that fact any quality open source product. Lets remember that this forum is here for a purpose, and that is to promote open source and the alike - and you can not promote open source by promoting antique versions.

But no, I have never flamed someone for reviving a thread - I just hate seeing them float around as it gives somewhat of an impression that it is ok to use an older version of the parser, when it is not ok to use it when the newer more safer and secure complies are free of charge.


Lazy-Boy Recliner here with heated back-rest and 3 different vibrating pulsations....

So I can assume any web development you do will only work on Internet Explorer 6.0 and equivalent? I mean there couldn't possibly be anyone using old browsers when there are free ones which are more reliable...

Its a poor argument really mate, and TBH expected more of a constructive argument from you, but hey nevermind You are a Lay-Zee boy after all lol

Anyhow were only gonna go round in circles from here onwards so take care and laters

wonk wonk wonk - nooooooo rendy. None of my development work works in any browser as I develop server side applications and not browser plug-ins. Although some of my recents with mozilla require the latest version, but that is for client side apps which is a different story.

Come on rendy. We as developers have an obligation, and that is to develop applications that not only serve thier purpose but also are safe and secure.

Do you not agree? Does anyone in this forum not agree?

Haha yeah true I guess *cough* hair splitting *cough*


Yes as a matter of fact I do agree, but just because we want to develop secure, maintainable, flexible, reliable, appropriate applications doesn't mean that Joe "Wants to use Query Strings" Schmoe will necessarily want to know the ins and outs of processor cycle advantages of bitwise operators versus the standard maths functions does it.

There are incredibly stupid people using this forum, and tbh they couldn't care less how something works as long as it does, and these people will be using free hosting on probably old and unmaintained machines.

Just cos we care about these things doesn't mean that we should ignore all the other crap thats going on around us. The people with really insecure php sites with older compilations of PHP alllowing stupid basic PHP exploits don't really care! No-one goes to their site anyway..

Man, Rendy you have gotten off on a very wild tangent of my original topic. If you read what I originally posted you would see that it is irritating to see old dead topics revived when there is absolutly nothing worthwhile to contribute to it. I have seen a lot of that today and the past few days.

Why is it that when you say something someone has to put a wild spin on it. That's life right, well we all do it I guess.
Here is my spin on one of your posts:
Yes there is some bright people here. The furniture you refer to is what holds up the majority of the "idiots" here and without them/us they would have even more problems then they already do. People "whinge and moan" about what they feel strongly about because of experience and dealing repeatedly with the same things over and over. After you have dealt with it for a while you will gripe about it also. In all actuality you are going that very thing here in this thread.
But don't worry about it, this entire thread was nothing more than a bitch and moan session anyway without griping in a thread that was revieved (to which might actually discourage someone from posting again). I am usually not that quick to jump on someone, especially a newbie, but just sometime it is required.

Well... you are obviously wrong.



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