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Old March 6th, 2003, 11:40 AM
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Mac OS XI == Linux?

At work I read an article in some magazine saying Mac Os 11 would be fully compatible with linux software and visa vera.

I found it pretty intersting; I also don't know if the article was just a rumour, fact or fantasy. Anyhow it would surely open the horizon for Linux in general, since apple software would also be accesable in Linux (like adobe, macromedia and even M$ office).

Anyone know more about this issue?

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Old March 6th, 2003, 02:23 PM
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Jaguar is based on FreeBSD which has linux compatability so it seems likely to be true.
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Old March 6th, 2003, 02:28 PM
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But, if true, should be changalling; a platform that can compete with Microsoft OS, AND MacOS!; Would Linux therefor be the platform in the future?

I mean; installing regular software under linux is a hassle, for a former Windows guy,(e.g. installing an adsl modem took me a day under Redhat!) so if apple-user-awareness combined with Linux expertise would be merged somehow, it would truely be the first set back for microsoft?....


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Old March 6th, 2003, 05:07 PM
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No. Jaguar is FreeBSD based NOT linux based. This means that linux apps COULD run on OSX if Apple decided to support that. It doesn't mean that OSX apps can run on linux, nor does it mean there is any other connection to linux.

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Rod K is correct. I would like to see some better intergration of Linux emulation support in X, but hell, with FINK I can run most any Linux app I need too. Most others have already been ported to X.

That is where Linux lost in my book. I had been using SuSE 6.4 then 7.2pro up until a year ago when I purchased an iBook. Now I can run all the linux apps I need, develop in PHP/MySQL/PostgreSQL & PERL, and get to have MS Office, Photoshop, and Quickbooks Pro all from one OS.

However its safer to say that Mac OS == FreeBSD + easy to use, cool looking interface for non-geeks.

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i think apple'd do it. it makes sense to me. i read just recently in wired news i think it was, that linux is set to over take apple in the near future in share of market terms. the article pointed out that while linux and microsoft are often seen to be at complete odds, against each other, in fact linux nearly always is more detrimental to whoever was / is in second place rather than microsoft.

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Mac OS 11 is many many years away

10.3 is scheduled for 2003
10.4 is scheduled for 2004
10.5 is scheduled for 2005
10.6 is scheduled for 2006
10.7 is scheduled for 2007
10.8 is scheduled for 2008
10.9 is scheduled for 2009
11 is scheduled for 2010

(Based on Apples past release schedule).

So Mac, Windows and Linux will all be completely different by then.

Furthermore, if Apple were to support other hardware, only Cocoa apps would run, as Carbon is emulated and supported on Mac based hardware only (ie. X on Intel would only run Cocoa apps, means no Photoshop, etc)

But anything to put Microsoft down has my vote

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I am also waiting for this. cuboctahedron, which magazine was this? Does anybody have some links about this?

Using a *BSD kernel for a mac was IMO a genius idea already. Actually most linux programs do work on OSX.

There seems to be a new war starting among software companies. Adobe has split up with Pinnacle, now Pinnacle doesn´t support Premiere anymore nor does Adobe their hardware (if you ever did professional video editing, you know what this means...).
Pinnacle bought most major graphics, video and sound software companies over the last months: Miro, Fast/Dazzle, CoolEdit, Steinberg, ... But they are not continuing their software, they eliminate all competitors. They keep the programmers and technology only for their own software.
The Microsoft court decision was a major breakthru for all global players...

Apple is giving away IMovie for $49, I never used it, but I heard it was even better than Premiere. This is the main reason Premiere 7 will be a Windows only software. Adobe is IMHO in big trouble now... No friends with Apple anymore, no access to professional windows based hard- and software anymore.
Their last chance: Matrox. Go for it, they make the best quality hardware on the market!

Microsoft split up with Apple (Thank God!), no more Office for Mac and no more crappy Internet explorers.

... Major changes happening in the hard- and software world...

Now where do you want to go tomorrow, Apple? Go, meet with Sun and start kicking some Microsoft ***!
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you can run most of the linux-style apps you want from the bsd ports collection. the best way to do this is via fink which is a wrapper for apt-get, dpackage et al.

http://fink.sourceforge.net/

go get xwindow up and running first as a rootless server then fink away!

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I don't know anymore in what magazine the article was. I was just picking random PC magazines in a bookstore.

If the article was anything but true, I would expect to see more info on google, but the way I look at it it could become true:

1) Microsoft will abandon development for apple software (already doing do by canceling future releases of IE). IF in the future the MS-Office applications are cancelled also, people will start moving from platform, I think.

2) In order for Apple to be able to compete in future, they must have access to other opensource projects.

Basically I think Apple will become something like Lindows (perhaps 'Linapple' ) in that way they can lift with the opensource movement, but still offering the good-old apple interface for their exsisting customers.

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One thing people keep forgetting, though, is that Apple is a hardware company, not a software company. The majority of their income is from their hardware sales, that's why they started tanking when they allowed clones for a short time. That's why Mac OS will never run on an IBM clone.

It's possible you misread the article. Just recently, apple introduced X11 (not OX11) for the Mac. From their Q&A:

Q: What is the X Window System (X11) for Mac OS X?

A: X11 for Mac OS X Preview is an implementation of the X Window System that makes it possible to run X11-based applications in Mac OS X. See www.apple.com/macosx/x11 for more information.

The article may have been refering to X11 for Mac OS X and how you can run Linux software using it. It JUST came out, so they may have been using future tense.

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