Netscape Survivors Counselling

OK. Everyone knows that Netscape is a pain to code for. Come to that, it's a pain to use too.

Binky and myself have decided that a counselling service is needed to help people recover from Netscape Usage Trauma and the far more serious Netscape Coding Trauma.

Any sufferers of NUT or NCT are welcome to share their horrifying experiences and, hopefully, help themselves in the process.

Don't worry, there is still hope......

This also is a service available to all users of Mozilla, or any Mozilla based derivative... so don't worry, we'll take the strain and slowly remind you that 94% of the world use another browser, and the remaining 6% don't count.

Mozilla bugs as of Wed Mar 20 02:31:02 2002

New Bugs This Week 616
Bugs Marked New 13464
Bugs Marked Assigned 7649
Bugs Marked Reopened 680
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Total Bugs 21793

You're not the only one having difficulties

Last edited by the Netscape Counselling Service on 03-20-2002 at 10:36AM - Motto: Nutscrapious shall not prevail

Hi charkus, hi binky, hello forum readers!

I am realnowhereman and I am - surprise! - suffering from post-traumatic Net$cape stress. I got into web programming as a hobby two years ago and immediately collided with the browser post-war period dilemma - shut my eyes on Net$cape and forget it? Or throw any CDs containing Net$cape out through the window?

Eventually I decided to take a third way: every time I'm unsure about HTML syntax, I look at W3C's norms and code according to the norms without respect to *any* browser. I also don't listen if anyone tells me their browser displays crap with my code. Or I listen and then tell them to get a better browser

Anyway, the time I spent on making code Net$cape-compatible has been a horror. I didn't have web access back then and no books on HTML. Most time it was pure trial and error. I remember staying up on nights just to fix a javascript that didn't even do anything useful ... then I had nightmares about it.

Conclusion: I'm now using Galeon for browsing and debugging and don't care about any other browsers. Galeon is fine except its renderer (guess what ...). Last time I mailed someone a page, I sent along a screenshot of what it looks like on my machine (and I validated the code at W3C's site, so that every other browser does it wrong is not my failure ).

Ingenious solution realnowhereman.

Leads me to another possibility. On every site that doesn't work properly on Netscape, why not put a link on the page saying 'Netscape users click here' which links to a jpg showing them what the page would look like in a real browser - that way they won't feel left out.

Also, a simple link to a jpg file will work - even in Netscape.

OR:

This link could be included on every page we do:

Netscape Users Click here

Dr. Binky (BSc NSKill) replies,

Realnowhereman, I can see that your past experiences are still causing you much stress in your day to day ordeal as a programmer. Something you got into as a hobby, possibly sharing code behind the bike sheds, has clearly spiralled out of control getting you into hardcoding and eventually in search of much needed fixes. Your response seems to have been seeking solice in a lizard that you refer to as galeon, maybe the reincarnation of a dead relative who brings stability into your being?

But let's not dwell upon that. You have clearly taken the first tentative steps towards enlightenment and by setting boundaries, that you can reach with ease, you will soon find the you that has been hidden in these past two years. I commend your ability to put down those who seek to in turn drag you down by referring them to the rules that govern our livelyhoods.

Well done in your quest so far and should anybody say anything to bring you down then simply say to them:

Error: element "LAYER" not defined in this HTML version

and poke them in the eye.


Small print:
Binky or Charkus or any persons involved in this thread are not liable for any damage that may incur through the use of eye poking. This remedy is suggested as a last resort and should not be used without supervision of an adult or at least somebody who is slightly responsible and of sane mind. Any treatments suggested by Binky, Charkus or any persons in this thread are to be taken as advised by your local wierdo. E&OE

*LOL* My former math teacher is quite a Net$cape enthusiast (has even put a "best viewed with NN" button on his page) - he will probably be one of the few who will need this


I will


Check out the assigned bugs list for attinasi@netscape.com - looks impressive. I think he's due for a visit in this thread

Thx for the psy support!

so in your view everyone should use IE as browser, and a crappy os like windoze.

i use mozilla on both my linux system and on my windows,

keep your code to the standards,
i do and have few rendering problems, if any.
i code for mozilla and uses w3c's validator to check the code.
i even checks the page in lynx and links

i would rather see a counselling service for bad m$ codes,
ever tried to debug a page made in frontpage, its no fun, i can tell.
and for all these annoying m$ specific tags/styles.






and teh idea of just showing a picture if you use "wrong" browser
is bad, if i had visit your site and just gotten a picture
i just wouldn't come back, it wouldn't make me change broswer
just ignore your site.

keep the net open for all,
and don't do like m$ that shuts other browsers out from their sites, like they did on msn.com few months back.
and more recently at xbox.com where you couldn't access the site if you use opera.

Akh says:



Dr. Binky (BSc NSKill) replies,

This is not necessarily the case, there are many apple Macintosh users out there who swear by (or at) Internet Explorer on their platform. I myself am using Opera to browse the devshed forums, and choose it for much of my browsing. Essentially what we have here is the belief that we are implying the IE is good and NS bad, and that we are in some way promoting IE as the browser of choice. This is not the case, we are merely providing a (laughable) service to those who have tasted the evil, ahem, that is NS4.x and wish to be relieved of the anguish that they are feeling. Most people out there with this kind of trauma in their lives believe that it is only they who suffer such problems, and most suffer in silence. We are here to let them say 'thank you Trebor' - obviously substituting Trebor for the names of our good selves.

Enough about us though. I can see that you are clinging onto NS4 because it shelters you from the world outside that you have feared for so long. Belief that you will be accepted into the wider community and they will understanding your habits comes at a price, I see that. Possibly the way to achieve this acceptance is to drop the font tag. No, we are not suggesting you go cold turkey as that is a method that isn't suited to everyone. Possibly just cut down to 2o a day, then maybe by the end of April you could go down to 5 a day, and only on special occassions. You can get patches that relieve the craving and make it easier to drop the habit (it must be noted here that if you are a monk or nun you shouldn't drop your habit in polite company). Good luck, and report back soon.


If you have any queries or comments then please do not hesitate to throw them in the bin. Messrs. Charkus and Binky can be contacted at the usual address (see overleaf)

Last edited, or was it? by Peter Pan and Tinkerbell on 03-21-2002 at 11.19AM

Internet Explorer is the single thing that Microsoft got right. I also use Mozilla and Opera, but I never said anyone should use anything.

I much prefer using Unix than using Windows, but, at this moment in time, there is better software available for Windows. Especially in the programmers editors and games areas.



I agree. If Internet Explorer is the best thing Microsoft ever did, Frontpage is definately the worst.




Hmm. That was a joke. If you couldn't see that, then maybe you're in the wrong place, or actually need real counselling. This thread is obviously not very serious.

The bottom line is that we are saying we don't like Netscape, not that no-one should use it, or that everyone should use something else.

Just thought I should share my in(?)experiences on the matter. I actually broke the NS habit some time ago. Just like that. Don't look back in anger. Nothing else matters. Oh wait, that's my playlist... Sorry...
No really, I just threw the software out. Completely. I even wiped some harddrives where it once was installed just to be sure. Though I kept NS6 on one machine, but that won't start since I messed things up somehow.
Anyway, I'm completely over it now. Done, finished, whatever, whenever. There goes the playlist again...
I thought this was the best way to end our relationship. Just break it. And it has worked for me so far...
I found my comfort in Opera though.

BTW, binky -> thought you might wanna check this out. We're talking avatars...
http://forums.devshed.com/showthrea...2697&forumid=49

//NoXcuz

Not edited at all 2305-8-16 00:00. The truth is out there, but can you handle it?

NoXcuz says:

Dr. Binky (BSc NSKill) replies,

I see from elsewhere in your letter that you have kicked the habit cold turkey and for that you are, rightly, proud. I do have some worry about the use of the first person accusative in the above statement. You lay the blame for this machine not starting with yourself, and not at the feet of NS6 where it clearly should be. Later on though I understand that this has been just a mild setback on a well established road to recovery, and that you have established a firm bond with Opera, and possibly the works of Gilbert and Sullivan or Mozart. Congratulations, and I hope that this will be of some comfort to others. Remember though that not all people are as strong willed as yourself and you may be needed to provide support to people who set your story as a plan for action.

P.S. Glad you've joined the 'last edited' brigade. That makes two.


Once again, for the first time, Binky would like to thank the support given to floundering programmers by the NSUU (Netscape Users Unanonymouse) and their continued efforts in providing a helping hand to those who have been affected by NS4.x and bugs in the browser engines.

Disclaimer:
We as people of sound mind (a mind that goes bing, see earlier threads) are not responsible for anything that may result as a result of the resulting results.

Last edited by S. Claus on 12-25-2002 at 0:00AM

Well done, NoXcuz. You're showing there is hope for everyone.

Just one thing worries me. You seem to be exchanging one addiction for another - your Netscape addiction has been replaced with a playlist quoting addiction. It's not unusual.

Are you experiencing the Winamp version or the more dangerous Media Player version of this affliction?

Unfortunately, there is no support forum available for this, so you're on your own, although feel free to share any feelings you have on this.

Last edited by Captain Jean-Luc Picard on Stardate 71452.8

Well, we are probably kinda schizofrenic, since we suffer from both the xmms playlist and the winamp playlist syndrome. The Mediaplayer version didn't affect me at all, nor me. And me neither. Though I still feel guilty for wrecking the NS6. And probably the whole system for that matter. It takes about two minutes to start Photoshop on this particular machine. And I haven't downgraded it. Yet. Probably will have to do it in order to sort things out. Big girls are best. Ooops...
But that's another story to come...

//NoXcuz

Did we edit this? Or do we intend to edit this? We don't know...Those yellow pills that the doctor ordered, makes it hard to distinguish the different realities from each other...