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    Question Is It Illegal To Track Third Party Visitors ? confused:


    Professional Marketers,

    I would like to ask if it is illegal to track visitors of third parties.
    Meaning, if I track your website visitors without your awareness but with the awareness of your visitors who allow me to track them, then would that be illegal in any way or form ?

    QUESTION 1:

    Imagine, I dropped you an email with any of the 2 messages like these:

    MESSAGE 1

    Dear Sir/Madam,

    We have noticed that one of our members HAD visited your website.
    Would you like to:

    View which of your webpages they visited (in order to understand what they were searching for);

    Contact them to ask them what they were searching for. And, possibly make them better offers if you find they have not made any orders to you;

    Checking their footprints on your site may reveal to you if this was a customer lead or a competition keeping tabs on your pages and their products.
    If it was a potential customer then you can make them offers.
    If it was a competition then you can learn which of your products are being targeted by your fierce competition and maybe make amends on your packages to make them more attractive over your competitions.

    We cannot guarantee that, they have not made any purchase yet to one of your competitions.
    We are able to supply you with all the links of your site our member visited.
    Supply of each link would cost you only $0.10USD.

    We are able to forward your marketing message to our member. Each 10 line message would cost you only $10USD.

    END OF MESSAGE
    MESSAGE 2

    Dear Sir/Madam,

    We have noticed that one of our members ARE CURRENTLY visiting your website.
    Now, before they hit the BACK button or EXIT your website to go over to your COMPETITIONS, would you like to:

    View which of your webpages they visited and ARE CURRENTLY visiting (in order to understand what they were searching for);

    Contact them to ask them what they ARE searching for. And, possibly make them better offers.

    Checking their footprints on your site may reveal to you if this was a customer lead or a competition keeping tabs on your pages and their products.
    If it was a potential customer then you can make them offers.
    If it was a competition then you can learn which of your products are being targeted by your fierce competition and maybe make amends on your packages to make them more attractive over your competitions.

    We are able to provide you with a popup that will help you TRAIL them LIVE from each of your webpages for monitoring purposes.
    We are able to supply you with all the links of your site our member visited.
    Supply of each link would cost you only $0.10USD.
    We will enable you to message your marketing message to our member LIVE RIGHT THIS INSTANT while our member is STILL in their BUYING MOOD (with their credit card in their hands) before they exit your site to headover to your competitions.
    Each 5 line LIVE message would cost you only $20USD.

    END OF MESSAGE
    Now, from a business/website point of view, does this message and it's leads providing message seem appealing to you or not ? I reckon it would. But that is just me thinking.

    Don't ask me:

    Which of my members would allow me to monitor their internet surfing like that.
    Technically, how would I perform the monitoring.
    The answers to these questions are my trade secret.
    I just need you to provide me your opinion from a business/website/marketer's point of view.

    Imagine, I run a Social Network and/or a searchengine that provides you with this service.

    A. Would you spend more time on these Social Networks and searchengines (you are currently using) or would you rather spend that time over at my site to hunt for customer leads ?

    B. How much time each day would you spend on a site like this that helps you fish for customer leads ?

    C. How many days of the week would you spend on a site like this that helps you fish for customer leads ?

    D. A site that provides a service like this. Do you reckon it would defeat all the following top sites in the world ?

    google
    facebook
    youtube
    twitter
    pinterest
    linkedin
    myspace
    reddit
    digg
    stumbleupon
    tumblr
    del.icio.us
    etc.

    E. Anything else I need to know ?

    PS - I am not wasting your time asking irrelevant questions.
    I am serious. I have a few new online ideas that revolves around hunting for leads in unique ways. No good programming the php scripts to run the ventures if the public won't use the services. Hence, the research here.
    The tracking & monitoring would be done with the permission of my members. No spyware.


    Thank You:
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    does this message and it's leads providing message seem appealing to you
    No, you reek of a spammer. This is one of the dumbest ****ing things I've read in a while.

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    Originally Posted by Sepodati
    This is one of the dumbest ****ing things I've read in a while.
    Don't read his other threads.

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    Originally Posted by requinix
    Don't read his other threads.
    Oh, I've read them. "This" referred to everything he's written.

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    Originally Posted by Sepodati
    Oh, I've read them. "This" referred to everything he's written.
    Can't decide if I should laugh or cry at "this".
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    Guys,

    I am not spamming this forum to make you guys my customers. If I really want, I can try the internet marketing forums.
    Also note, I have not listed my website. If I wanted to spam, I'd list my order form link.
    This project is not completely finished. Half finished with php. No good spamming now fishing for customer leads when the project is half complete.
    Nah! If this project is not illegal in any way then I know for a surety it would attract nearly every business in the world to be my customer. So, why would I come and spam this forum as if my business is failing and I'm desperate for customer leads ?

    No. I just want you guys to give me your professional opinion if what I'm trying to do would land me in trouble with the law or not. That's all. If it would be illegal then no good wasting anymore time php programming the script. Understand my point ?
    If you think it would be illegal then give your reasons why.

    I got others telling me it's not illegal in any way and I won't face any trouble from the businesses point of view but they reckon I won't find any members who'd allow me to monitor their internet surfing. However, I'm not worried about that. I can work my magic to influence/pursuade people to allow me to monitor their internet surfing. Don't ask me how because that is my trade secret and I don't want others (public who view this thread) jumping and copying my idea. I know that, eventually the big sites would copy my concept but atleast I'll be recognized as the person who started the concept.
    And so, how-about answering my questions honestly, rather than being sarcastic ?

    I am going to start this service word wide. And others would follow suit. I am not worried about my members. I know it won't be illegal for me to monitor their internet surfing and making it public. I'm just concerned if it would be illegal to publicly announce who's on which website at PRESENT and was in the PAST. Would websites be able to sue me for revealing to the public domain who their visitors are (bearing in mind that, their visitors are my members who I forward to them and it is them who want my service to announce it in the public domain what websites they have viewed in the PAST and what websites they are currently viewing in the PRESENT).
    That's all. Can websites/businesses cause me trouble legally ? That is the trillion dollar question.
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    Originally Posted by Sepodati
    No, you reek of a spammer. This is one of the dumbest ****ing things I've read in a while.

    -John
    Why dumbest ?
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    Originally Posted by MrFujin
    Can't decide if I should laugh or cry at "this".
    Why ? What is wrong with the idea or concept ?
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    Originally Posted by Sepodati
    Oh, I've read them. "This" referred to everything he's written.
    Such as ?
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    Originally Posted by Sepodati
    No, you reek of a spammer. This is one of the dumbest ****ing things I've read in a while.

    -John
    Sepodati,

    You are my favourite member in this forum as you have responded promptly to my threads. Let's keep it that way.
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    I'm trying to figure out what the **** you are. I've known other, uh, special people like you. Great folks, but no business being in our reality.

    I said your messages, in the code you gave, sound spammy. Reek of it. You'll never get my time if day with that message. Maybe if you invite us to whatever plane you live in, though...

    After having seen much of your code, I'm confident you can not program anything that would be illegal. Even working is questionable.

    Good luck in your adventure.
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    I don't think you have any concept of what limitations a web based proxy will have.

    And I don't think anyone will give two ****s if you tell them someone was on their site. Any sight worth more than 2 already tracks that and doesn't need your help.
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    Originally Posted by UniqueIdeaMan
    Sepodati,

    You are my favourite member in this forum as you have responded promptly to my threads. Let's keep it that way.
    I'll always be here for you and your dumb ideas. Why stop now?
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    Originally Posted by UniqueIdeaMan
    I know that, eventually the big sites would copy my concept but atleast I'll be recognized as the person who started the concept.
    Your idea isn't original or unique, people have done it before and are still doing it, each with their own spin on how to try and convince people to give you consent to spy on them and/or how to monetize the gathered information.


    Originally Posted by UniqueIdeaMan
    And so, how-about answering my questions honestly, rather than being sarcastic ?
    The true answer to your question is Ask a lawyer, not the internet.

    That said, since places already do it then surely it's not illegal so long as you have the end-users consent. What kind of information you're allowed to collect may be limited though. For example trying to get someones name/address/contact details by scraping it off order forms as they shop may get you into trouble. Just knowing that they when to site xyz and order product abc is likely fine though.

    Any legal trouble you would face trying to do what you want to do would likely come from your members and be related to how you're collecting/using their data, not from random third-part sites the people have been visiting via your proxy.

    Feel free to keep trying to develop your idea if you want, but I and most the rest of us here see it as pointless and doomed for failure. I think you're over-estimating your ability to get people to consent to your tracking and also over-estimating the demand for any information you may gather from said tracking.

    As I've mentioned in one of your other threads trying to do this as website-based proxy is completely the wrong approach as well. Any site that makes use of modern-day scripting technologies would likely just not work when run through a proxy due to things like the Same-origin policy or your proxy would just get banned, either intentionally or accidentally due to too many requests from a single source. You'd also need some fat pipes to your servers to handle all the traffic generated by the proxied requests.
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    Originally Posted by kicken
    Your idea isn't original or unique, people have done it before and are still doing it, each with their own spin on how to try and convince people to give you consent to spy on them and/or how to monetize the gathered information.



    The true answer to your question is Ask a lawyer, not the internet.

    That said, since places already do it then surely it's not illegal so long as you have the end-users consent. What kind of information you're allowed to collect may be limited though. For example trying to get someones name/address/contact details by scraping it off order forms as they shop may get you into trouble. Just knowing that they when to site xyz and order product abc is likely fine though.

    Any legal trouble you would face trying to do what you want to do would likely come from your members and be related to how you're collecting/using their data, not from random third-part sites the people have been visiting via your proxy.

    Feel free to keep trying to develop your idea if you want, but I and most the rest of us here see it as pointless and doomed for failure. I think you're over-estimating your ability to get people to consent to your tracking and also over-estimating the demand for any information you may gather from said tracking.

    As I've mentioned in one of your other threads trying to do this as website-based proxy is completely the wrong approach as well. Any site that makes use of modern-day scripting technologies would likely just not work when run through a proxy due to things like the Same-origin policy or your proxy would just get banned, either intentionally or accidentally due to too many requests from a single source. You'd also need some fat pipes to your servers to handle all the traffic generated by the proxied requests.

    Thanks man! I was expecting polite and sensible replies like that. I don't like Sepodati from now on and I prefer he stays away from my threads since he has proved to give no proper inputs than sarcacism and lashing outs. I've seen guys like that reckons they're a heros online behind their screens. These type of people are heros online and zeros in real life. Just look at the tone he has used over a simple subject. if he doesn't like my threads no-one's dragging him to make any silly contributions. Rude and spoilt! When he doesn't like something, he lashes out like an immature spoilt child.
    I expect no replies from this fellow, anymore. He shouldn't waste his breath. He will be ignored from now on.
    Mod, how can I block some users from my threads ?
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