September 24th, 2005, 02:07 PM
What Type of Connection?
A friend and I plan to host some servers at my house, for certain reasons. The problem is that we do not know what type of internet connection we should get. Whether it be Cable, DSL, FIOS, or something else. We do not want to be spending more than $65 per month. I found a good DSL package from SBC that offers a package with 1.5-3.0mbps downstream. It also offers static ips, which is something I also require. FIOS is not available in my location, and some major cable providers are not either. Does anyone else has any other suggestions?
Note: The servers wil be hosting future servers of a product(s) that my friend and I plan to develope.
September 24th, 2005, 05:46 PM
download steam isn't what you need. you need good upload. my current dsl provider gives me 100Kb/sec upload.
both the major dsl and cable providers in my area give at most 100 for home usage.
for a static ip address, you dont really need one. you can get a dynamic dns service for free, and since it usually costs extra for a static ip, you would be saving some money each month by having a dns address instead of using only the ip address.
also dsl requires you to dial out using ppoe. this might not seem like a bad thing, but depending on your network setup, you might not like having to setup a router or gateway to dial out. with cable it's a simple dhcp request for an ip address.
only reason this would affect you would be if you are interested in port forwarding and firewall software.
i use a Windows 2003 server for my nat gateway, it has better firewall software on it then my dsl router. but the firewall software isn't compatible for my ppoe connection. thus i had to buy a dsl router to dial the connection and dmz to my gateway.
if i had cable. it would have been easier to just plug the gateway into the internet directly.
point is, if you want better management of open ports, scanning and firewall and security when you will publish your servers on the internet, you will need to use software. not home routers.
however, there is a kind of old saying that says, "let the routers do the routing, and let the software do the software stuff". or something like that.
basically, use routers and switches to do your network stuff. use the OS and firewalls to filter out connections. dont use them to provide services for your network
September 25th, 2005, 12:29 PM
What if he needs to run his own DNS servers. You can't do this without static IP addresses. Secondly, if you're suggesting he runs a server without notifying his ISP, bear in mind that most ISPs block some key ports such as port 80 on home accounts. They also tend to raise a bit of legal hell in case your website becomes popular. Better to keep it legit all the way and get a server hosting package deal
Originally Posted by nonsence
Would you mind telling me the brand name of your old router. I'll tell my friends to avoid that one. FWIW, my 6 year old Netgear has no problems with PPPoE or DHCP. I used to have cable in my previous apartment and DSL right now. No problems setting it up with either one. Extra Bonus: My Netgear router has the capability to talk to dyndns.org built into the firmware and will notify it if the IP address changes.
Originally Posted by nonsence
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September 25th, 2005, 10:54 PM
In addition some ISPs block your mail port. You will not be able to run any sort of mail service. Also, what do you plan to use these servers for, the connection your talking about will barely get you 50kb/s in/out.
September 26th, 2005, 08:17 PM
I am developing a chat server, I won't go into detail on the project itself but I want to have atleast 4 separate servers for it. So that a user can choose which server to connect to, for instance, Server 1, Server 2, and so on. I know that I will need a high upstream speed for my servers to maintain good stability, but finding a ISP with a good service for this isn't easy. Especially when you're talking services and packages that cost 3-5 times the price of T1. I decided that FIOS would probably be the best choice to make, for $50 (rounded up) a month I can get a connection with 15mbps downstream and 2mbps upstream. However it was "not available" in my area. Maybe I can work something out with Verizon for them to support me. Anyways, thanks for the help guys. I'll see what I can do.
September 27th, 2005, 08:36 PM
i didn't say my dsl router has a problem. i was saying that if he wants to use an advanced firewall, something like isa server 2004. that's meant to be a firewall, not a router. thus it doesn't support ppoe connections for the gateway (that i know of). it needs a ppoe router in front to make the connection for it, and then just dmz to the firewall. and my router is a brand new smc.
oh and it doesn't really matter that much, hosting a server on a home connection. at least not on all isp contracts. mine, doesn't block any ports, but says i'm not allowed to host servers for commercial usage. but i do host vpn, ftp, http, ssh, rdp, vnc, etc etc. but i mean, that's for personal usage and school and learning. i'm not making money off it, i need those to learn since i'm learning mcse and c programming right now. so yah, not all isp's are very anal about it.
October 2nd, 2005, 12:56 AM
Very true he may need to seek out a business class connection, most companies will still provide these in residential areas for 'home businesses' not sure on the price as it varies but he will definatly be needing a few static IP's.