Windows 2003 DNS Issues

ok here goes...

this is the dns file setup -
;
; Database file militarygunsupply.com.dns for militarygunsupply.com zone.
; Zone version: 81
;

@ IN SOA ns1.militarygunsupply.com. hostmaster.militarygunsupply.com. (
81 ; serial number
3600 ; refresh
600 ; retry
1209600 ; expire
3600 ) ; default TTL

;
; Zone NS records
;

@ NS ns1.militarygunsupply.com.

;
; Zone records
;

@ A 66.139.209.193
@ MX 10 militarygunsupply.com.
mail CNAME militarygunsupply.com.
ns1 A 66.139.209.193
www CNAME militarygunsupply.com.
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This is for a client of mine and I have no experience setting up DNS servers on 2003. Below is the situation and setup thus far.

I have a computer running IIS 6, I have a domain registered to militarygunsupply.com. The computer is behind a router and it is a D-Link and i've got the virtual dns server ports(port 53, as well as http, pop3, ftp) open and forwarded to the server's ip. ok so if i try to access militarygunsupply.com from any outside computer it shows it doesnt exist. but if you know the ip which is 66.139.209.193 you can access the server externally. if you are on the server and type in the url militarygunsupply.com the website shows. so i dont know how to make it where outside sources recognize the domain name. if you get on that computer locally and view the site using the domain name it works, but even on other computers within the network it doesnt find it, and obviously outside of the network you cant either.

using dns crawler http://serialcoders.sytes.net/cgi-b...bmit=Send+Query
i get this for ns1.militarygunsupply.com which it cannot find.

but if you use the servers ip you can see my record and how i have it configured.

http://serialcoders.sytes.net/cgi-b...bmit=Send+Query

the nameservers that show now are only temp because because the registrar wouldnt take ns1.militarygunsupply.com(my biggest problem)

so the owner added those in for temporary use. my problem is getting ns1.militarygunsupply.com to be recognized as a vaild dns server source. because when i try to add it to the domain registrar it doesn't accept it. i'm clueless on what to do next.

i have the computer setup by assigning it an ip manually the settings for that are...

ip: 192.168.0.1
subnet mask: 255.255.255.0
default gateway: 192.168.0.240 <--routers ip
Preferred DNS server: 66.139.209.193 <---dunno what to put here really
Alternate DNS: 151.164.1.8 <-----Primary dns given to me by our ISP swbell

i changed the dns suffix to militarygunsupply.com
the NetBIOS computer name is OGS_SERVER

what am i doing wrong? thanks in advance.

anyone care to help, i'd really appreciate it!

Let's start at step one. We need to get "militarygunsupply.com" properly registered. According to the DNS crawler it is registered by swbell:

http://www.dollardns.net/cgi-bin/dn...&lr=1&submit=DS

But if you click one of the purple links to ask the associated swbell dns server the query, you get a non-authoritative answer. It SHOULD be returning ns1.militarygunsupply.com and the associated IP address.

I've had a guy complain about how his domain won't work as a dns server when registering. I had him complain to his registrar and they fixed the problem. Another guy told me how he couldn't get it to work either with his registrar. He gave me access to his account and I found that you had to do something special to get it to work. First I had to create the name server domain, only then could I specify that it is the host.

So my suggestion to you is to find a way to "create" the domain before you use it. If you still can't figure it out ask your registrar about it.

ok so when you say create the domain, what else do i need to do that i haven't already done mentioned above?

what sucks is when i goto the registrar and try to update the name servers they have it like this...

Optional DNS server 1: _________
Optional IP server 1: _________
Optional DNS server 2: _________
Optional IP server 2: _________
Optional DNS server 3: _________
Optional IP server 3: _________

if i put in ns1.militarygunsupply.com and click update it goes to a blank page and does not update the record. if i put a ns that is resolvable it accepts it and updates...hence the ns1.swbell.net crap. someone else told me i could use just the ip when changing the dns record...so i did that this morning and it accepts that and says domain modified. but when i check the whois, it shows no DNS servers listed.

just tried this nslookup on the server got these results...

*** Can't find server name for address 192.168.0.1: Non-existent domain
Default Server: UnKnown
Address: 192.168.0.1

> nslookup ns1.militarygunsupply.com
Server: ns1.militarygunsupply.com
Address: 66.139.209.193

=============================================
*** Can't find server name for address 192.168.0.1: Non-existent domain
Default Server: UnKnown
Address: 192.168.0.1

> nslookup ns1.militarygunsupply.com
Server: ns1.militarygunsupply.com
Address: 66.139.209.193
=============================================

This is to be expected. The can't find server name has nothing to do with how your domain is registered. It is because you don't have reverse IP records (PTR) under a IN-ADDR.ARPA domain.

As for whois, I never trust it. whois is not directly involved with dns at all. One does not rely on the other. whois can be wrong. As for DNS, you have to wait while recent changes are updated.

I have nothing more to say on your problem than what was already said. If you can't figure it out how to get what you want using the registrar's forms, you should contact about them to see if it is their problem.

cool, i'll do that. thanks for your help thus far. i've read through many many other posts that you've helped on and you seem to know a great deal about this stuff. thanks.

hey i sent an email to the people that this domain was registered and this is what they said back....

The nameserver ns1.militarygunsupply.com is not yet registered

and hence the problem while trying to update the whois records. Please

register the nameserver and then try to update the domain manager after

24 - 48 hours of registration. Then you will be able to update the records.

so now what? can you help me if i give you access to the server? that is if you want to.

their email confuses me. They really should define "register" for registering the server is what you're trying to do in the first place.

But sure, I can try to get your domain to work. If I can't, then I'll write an email for you to illicit a more helpful reply. Since you should never trust anyone with your private passwords, first change your password to something you've never used before then let me know how to log into your account, then after I fix or not fix it you should change your password again - preferably to something else you've never used before. Send me a private message with the login details including login URL, username and password. I assume that you want the registered server to be ns1.militarygunsupply.com (66.139.209.193).

after some more emails with them they said i needed to contact a company that does name server registration since they only do domain registration and cannot do nameserver registration. i asked them if i needed to transfer the domain to another company that does everything and they said, i didnt have to transfer my domain, but could contact a company that does name server registration and once they was established log back into their domain management console and update the DNS records. does this sound right? i wasn't aware i had to register a name server on top of registering a domain name.

Please let me know if you figure out any thing... otherwise if I find a solution I will post it here ...

I Heard ICCAN or something but this is just a governing body nothing more....

I've never heard or it and I don't like it. The DNS will work no matter what name you provide as the host of your domain. It is the IP that you also provide that is important. Their silly name server registration process just complicates things - although it may be a way of confirmation to make sure your name server works.

But anyway, I would definately find somebody who does the registration of name servers for free. And if not for free, then I'd transfer your domain.

hmm wonder who would do that for free...if anyone knows please post

hey i found a site that does free dns registration....

http://www.granitecanyon.com/

That does not appear to offer free registration. It offers free DNS hosting.

hybridart,

As far as I know, you must register nameservers with the registrar that has the domain. So if you used Dotster, for instance, you would register the nameservers for your domain there using their nameserver management system.

I have not been able to find an "outside" service to register nameservers. The only other possibility might be the Verisign Registry itself, but they would probably tell you to go to "your" registrar. I'd give them a try, though. Can't hurt.

I realize the confusion for someone who has never registered a public nameserver, but it is something unrelated to domain registration other than it is a subdomain of your domain. You have to have a "glue" record (A record) in order to register it and it has to have a PTR (reverse) so that it can be looked up.

I'm fairly green myself, but this is pretty basic if you're going to operate a nameserver with a public IP.

I'd give the same advice as you were given, though. If you can't manage or register nameservers with your registrar, I'd transfer the domain to a valid registrar. I happen to like Dotster, but there are others that are reliable as well.