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    Maya Vs 3DS Max


    Surprised I haven't seen a thread on this already (or maybe I just missed it)...which would be the best package to learn if I'm looking into game design/visual effects? I don't mean just as a hobby/mess-around but in terms of jobs so which is the most widely used in industry / easiest to use / flexible / powerful?

    Having seen the prices for both we'll pretend that money is no object

    Any ideas anyone?

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    I remember someone asking exactly this, lemme see if I can find the comparison for you. But as far as what you wanted, Maya is the way to go!
    EDIT: It seems this forum is auto-pruned. Sorry mate =(
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    Originally Posted by tagmanadvance
    I remember someone asking exactly this, lemme see if I can find the comparison for you. But as far as what you wanted, Maya is the way to go!
    EDIT: It seems this forum is auto-pruned. Sorry mate =(
    Maya is the industry standard, but also comes with a steeper learning curve. If your a beginner, you might want to start on 3DS Max before jumping to Maya.

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    Best Choice is Maya no doubt

    And look the sheet about the softwares info

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    Comparison of 3d tools
    Technical details
     
    Package 	Platforms 	Supported Video 	Extension Language(s) 	Price with stated Functionality 	   
    3ds Max 	Windows 32/64 Bit 	Direct X, Software Rendering, OpenGL, Heidi 	MAXScript 	3,495$ 	   
    Animation Master 	Windows, OSX 	Direct X, OpenGL 		299$ 
    	   
    Art of Illusion 	Any OS that supports Java 	Software Rendering, OpenGL 	Beanshell, Java 	Free/Opensource $0 	   
    Blender 	Windows, OSX, Linux, FreeBSD, Irix, Solaris 	Software Rendering, OpenGL 	C, Python 	Free/Opensource $0 	   
    Carrara Pro 	Windows, OSX 	Software Rendering, OpenGL 		549$ 	   
    Carrara Std 	Windows, OSX 	Software Rendering, OpenGL 		249$ 	   
    Cinema4D 	Windows 32/64 Bit, OSX PPC/Intel, Linux 	Software Rendering, OpenGL 	COFFEE 	2,995$ 	   
    Houdini 	Windows, Linux, 32/64 bit 	Software Rendering, OpenGL 	HScript, VEX, Python 	7,995$ 	   
    LightWave 3D 	Windows, Windows 64-bit, OSX 	OpenGL 	LScript 	795$ 	   
    Maya 	Windows, OSX, Linux 	Direct X, Software Rendering, OpenGL 	MEL,Python 	6,999$ 	   
    Modo 	Windows, OSX 	OpenGL, Software Rendering 	Python,PERL, LUA 	895$ 	   
    Silo 	Windows, OSX 	? 	? 	109$ 	   
    Truespace 	Windows 			595$ 	   
    Wings3D 	Windows, OSX, Linux 	OpenGL 		0$ 	   
    XSI 	Windows, Linux 	Direct X, OpenGL 	VB Script, JScript, Python 	6,995$ 	   
    ZBrush 	Windows, OSX 	Software Rendering 	ZScript 	489$ 
    	 
    
    Modeling Tools
     
    Package 	NURBS 	Patch 	SubD 	Polygon 	Smooths 3gons 	Smooths ngons 	   
    3ds Max 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Art of Illusion 	No 	No 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	   
    Blender 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	   
    Carrara Pro 	No 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Carrara Std 	No 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Cinema4D 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Houdini 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    LightWave 3D 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Maya 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Modo 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Silo 	No 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Wings3D 	No 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    XSI 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    ZBrush 	No 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	No 
    	 
    
    Workable Polygon Limit (3GHZ p4 (or equivalent), Average 1gb ram, quad polys)
     
    Package 	10,000 	50,000 	100,000 	500,000 	1,000,000 	   
    3ds Max 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Art of Illusion 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	No 	   
    Blender 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Carrara Pro 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	 ? 	 ? 	   
    Carrara Std 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	 ? 	 ? 	   
    Cinema4D 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Houdini 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    LightWave 3D 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Maya 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Modo 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Silo 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	 ? 	   
    Wings3D 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	No 	   
    XSI 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    ZBrush 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	 
    
    UV Unwrapping
     
    Package 	Basic 	Pelt 	LSCM 	ABF++ 	multi uv sets 	subsurfed uv 	   
    3ds Max 	Yes 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Art of Illusion 	Yes 	No 	No 	Via Plugin 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Blender 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Carrara Std 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	No 	Yes 	 ? 	   
    Carrara Std 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	No 	Yes 	 ? 	   
    Cinema4D 	Yes 	 ? 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Houdini 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    LightWave 3D 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	No 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Maya 	Yes 	 ? 	Via Plugin 	No 	Yes 	 ? 	   
    Modo 	Yes 	 ? 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Wings3D 	Yes 	 ? 	No 	No 	 ? 	 ? 	   
    XSI 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	No 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    ZBrush 	Yes 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	 
    
    Texturing and Painting
     
    Package 	Node Based
    Texturing 	2d paint 	3d paint 	Paint Simultaneously Across
    Multiple Objects 	Layer Based
    Painting 	Paint Simultaneously
    Multiple Materials 	Vertex Paint 	   
    3ds Max 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	Via Plugin 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	Yes 	   
    Art of Illusion 	Yes 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 
    	   
    Blender 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	No 	No 	Yes 	   
    Carrara Pro 	Yes 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	   
    Carrara Std 	Yes 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	   
    Cinema4D 	Via Plugin 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Houdini 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	Via Plugin 	No 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	   
    Lightwave 	Yes 	No 	No 	 ? 	 ? 	No 	Yes 	   
    Maya 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	 ? 	No 	 ? 	Yes 	   
    Modo 	No 	 ? 	Yes 	 ? 	 ? 	No 	Yes 	   
    Wings3D 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	 ? 	   
    XSI 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	Yes 	   
    ZBrush 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	No 	No 	No 	 
    
    Animation and Simulation
     
    Package 	Simple 	Character 	Particle 	Physics 	Softbody 	Cloth 	Hair 	Fluid 	Smoke 	Flame 	Crowd 
    	   
    3ds Max 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	Yes 	   
    Art of Illusion 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	   
    Blender 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	No 	Via Plugin 	   
    Carrara Pro 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Via Plugin 	Via Plugin 	No 	No 	No 	 ? 	   
    Carrara Std 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Via Plugin 	Via Plugin 	No 	No 	No 	 ? 	   
    Cinema4D 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	Via Plugin 	Via Plugin 	Via Plugin 	   
    Houdini 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Lightwave 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	Via Plugin 	No 	   
    Maya 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	   
    Modo 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	   
    Wings3D 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	   
    XSI 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	   
    ZBrush 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	 
    
    Rendering
     
    Package 	Primary Renderer 	RIB Support 	Other Renderers 	Net Render 	# Net Nodes 
    	   
    3ds Max 	Scanline, Mental Ray, Light Tracer, Radisosity Engine (Lightscape) 	Via Plugin 	Brazil r/s, VRay, finalRender, finalToon, Illustrate! 	Yes 	Unlimited 	   
    Art of Illusion 	Raster, Raytracer, Vector Renderer, Advanced Renderer 	No 	No 	No 	None 	   
    Blender 	Blender 	Via Plugin 	YafRay, Mental Ray, Sunflow, Kerkythea, Indigo 	Via Plugin 	Unlimited 	   
    Carrara Pro 	Raytrace, Hybrid, NPR, Toon II 	No 	ToonPro, WireframePro 	Yes 	5 	   
    Carrara Std 	Raytrace, Hybrid, NPR, Toon II 	No 	ToonPro, WireframePro 	No 	None 	   
    Cinema4D 	Internal 	 ? 	Final Render 	Yes 	Unlimited 	   
    Houdini 	Mantra 	Yes Import/Export 	Renderman, Mental Ray, Air 	Yes 	5 Distributed 	   
    LightWave 	LightWave 	 ? 	FPrime, Kray 	Yes 	999 	   
    Maya 	Internal, Mental Ray, Vector Renderer, Hardware Renderer (OpenGL) 	Via Plugin 	Renderman, FinalRender, Turtle, VRayBeta 	 ? 	 ? 	   
    Modo 	Internal + OpenGL 	External script 	None 	No 	No 	   
    Wings3D 	 ? 	 ? 	YafRay 	 ? 	 ? 	   
    XSI 	Mental Ray 	Via Plugin 	Indigo, Renderman 	Yes 	8 	   
    ZBrush 	ZBrush 	No 	No 	No 	No 	 
    
    Interface and Customization 
     
    Package 	Screen Layout 	Key Bindings 	Mouse Bindings 	Menus 	Buttons 	   
    3ds Max 	Yes 	Yes 	 ? 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Art of Illusion 	Yes 	No 	No 	No 	No 	   
    Blender 	Yes 	No 	No 	No 	No 	   
    Carrara Pro 	Yes 	Yes 	 ? 	No 	No 	   
    Carrara Std 	Yes 	Yes 	 ? 	No 	No 	   
    Cinema4D 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Houdini 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    LightWave 3D 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Maya 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Modo 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Wings3D 	 ? 	Yes 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	   
    XSI 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    ZBrush 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Silo 	Yes 	Yes 	 ? 	Yes 	Yes 	 
    
    Supported File Formats
    Import
     
    Package 	OBJ 	3DS 	DXF 	FBX 	LWO 	Q3D 	VRML 	MB 	MA 	x 	Collada 1.4 	JPEG 	TIFF 	PSD 	AEP 	BMP 	GIF 	PNG 	EXR 	HDR 	   
    3ds Max 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	 ? 	 ? 	Yes 	No 	No 	Via Plugin 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	 ? 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Art of Illusion 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	Via Plugin 	No 	Via Plugin 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	No 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	   
    Blender 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	No 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Carrara Pro 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	No 	No 	 ? 	 ? 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	   
    Carrara Std 	Yes 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	No 	Via Plugin 	No 	Via Plugin 	No 	No 	 ? 	 ? 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	   
    Cinema4D 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	No 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Houdini 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	   
    LightWave 3D 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Via Plugin 	Via Plugin 	 ? 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	Yes 	   
    Maya 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	No 	 ? 	Yes 	Yes 	 ? 	Via Plugin 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Modo 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	 ? 	 ? 	No 	Yes 	 ? 	 ? 	Yes 	Yes 	 ? 	 ? 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Wings3D 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	   
    XSI 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	Via Plugin 	Via Plugin 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    ZBrush 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	No 	No 	No 	No 	 
    
    Export
     
    Package 	OBJ 	3DS 	DXF 	FBX 	LWO 	Q3D 	VRML 	MB 	MA 	x 	Collada 1.4 	JPEG 	TIFF 	PSD 	AEP 	BMP 	GIF 	PNG 	EXR 	HDR 	   
    3ds Max 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	 ? 	Yes 	No 	No 	Via Plugin 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	 ? 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Art of Illusion 	Yes 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	Yes 	No 	No 	No 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	No 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	   
    Blender 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	No 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Carrara Pro 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	No 	No 	 ? 	 ? 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	No 	No 	   
    Carrara Std 	Yes 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	No 	Via Plugin 	No 	Via Plugin 	No 	No 	 ? 	 ? 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	No 	No 	   
    Cinema4D 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	No 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Houdini 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	   
    LightWave 3D 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	No 	Via Plugin 	 ? 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	Yes 	   
    Maya 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	 ? 	Via Plugin 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	 ? 	Yes 	   
    Modo 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	 ? 	 ? 	No 	Yes 	 ? 	 ? 	Yes 	Yes 	 ? 	 ? 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    Wings3D 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	No 	No 	Yes 	No 	No 	No 	No 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	 ? 	   
    XSI 	Yes 	Via Plugin 	Via Plugin 	Via Plugin 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	   
    ZBrush 	Yes 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	No 	Yes 	Yes 	No 	Yes 	No 	No 	No 	No
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    Can you quote that, so it keeps its original formatting? Or give us a link to the table it was in originally. Please.
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    Originally Posted by tagmanadvance
    Can you quote that, so it keeps its original formatting? Or give us a link to the table it was in originally. Please.
    Actually, "quote" doesn't keep original formatting. He would have to use "code" tags. I think that's what you meant, but I just wanted to clear that up.

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    Ok I added code tags for him, helps somewhat I guess.
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    3DS Max 9 is used for gaming industry.
    Maya for movie industry.

    If you look on dice.com. You would notice most, if not all want people in 3DS Max experience.
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    I think Maya is vastly more expensive than 3DS Max. Isn't Maya something like 30,000? Definitely more of a movie-budget kind of app.
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    3DS Max 9 is about $3,400 USD. But the only bad side is it doesn't work on Vista
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    Thanks for the info guys I looked on the Autodesk website and according to that, Maya is $6999/4000ish ! I think there's a kind of learning edition you can get though which I think is either free or comes with certain tutorial books, not sure what kind of restrictions it has though...
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    if yer interested, if you buy the dvd version of ut2k4 (and the prolly with the upcoming ut3) it comes with an extra dvd solely dedicated to Unreal Engine modification, including more than 8 hours of video tutorials on modeling in maya. its what ive been using to learn maya and its pretty good... and considering ut2k4 dvd was 39.99 new, im sure you can find it or the bonus material somwhere for way cheaper. ive also tried using blender (free and only a 10 meg footprint on yer HDD) and XSI (what Valve uses). both are kinda complex but have pretty good documentation online.

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