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    is devshed even current??


    This is on ths site and it's 2 years old, so I honeslty wouldn't trust any of the information in it to be correct. Technology changes alot in 2 years, how do I know its still true that "Most of the cellphones currently available lack support for WMLScript"

    were can I find currenty stuff?? Devshed should update that stuff

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    Demystifying WMLScript (part 1)
    By Vikram Vaswani and Harish Kamath
    October 05, 2000

    The Tools
    Before you get started with WMLScript, though, you need to be aware of one important caveat. Most of the cellphones currently available lack support for WMLScript, which means that you'll be limited to a simulator for all your programming and testing. As cellphones grow more powerful, expect WMLScript support to become available in the WAP micro-browser itself - Nokia and Ericsson are already working on this.
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    So the site may be in the US but it's a very international site and okay, that was written in 2000 but:

    Before you get started with WMLScript, though, you need to be aware of one important caveat. Most of the cellphones currently available lack support for WMLScript, which means that you'll be limited to a simulator for all your programming and testing.
    That's part is still highly applicable in the UK and many other countries. Yes, the UK may be supposedly one of the big technology countries (or so the government likes to think), but the number of people who buy WAP phones when something non-WAP but equally good is available for free (or very cheap). Possibly it's the 3G race that has everything static until better HTML capable phones are available.

    As cellphones grow more powerful, expect WMLScript support to become available in the WAP micro-browser itself - Nokia and Ericsson are already working on this.
    Yes this is out of date, but in a years time when WMLScript isn't needed because PDA-phones will mean full XHTML/JavaScript capability we'll all be able to look back at this and think how quaint our ideas were. A bit like watching the original Star Trek, did we honestly expect to use oscilloscopes onboard a spacecraft in the future. Of course, I may be wrong, then we can all look back at me and say 'I pity da fool' (adopting a BA Baracus stance).
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    very intesresting stuff! I am a newbie obviously.

    I kinda hope it doesnn't go away, WML is kind of fun. It's an easy way to learn some XML because it's much simpler then XML. I have used XML a few times like in actionscript(flash) for instance but I never have gotten really into it. The WML however is pretty neat the way it works with the phone!
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    I think you touched on a major subject there. It's one of the things I don't like about the web, that in places it gets updated too quickly and we don't get to see how we thought a couple of weeks/months/years ago. Okay, so the big news sites do leave their content on for a long time, but it would be nicer to see it in some sort of collaborative archive.

    Articles that include such wonderous insights as:

    We can't see a time when a Pentium would be needed to run a computer game - Computer and Video Games magazine

    Would be there for all to see.

    On another note, WML isn't going to dissappear for a while. After all it's not simply based on processor speed, RAM or disk space. It's about all those things such as DTDs, XSLTs and screen size/resolution as well. To be honest WML is a great language, it offers compact code and really should have been a possibility for the next step for HTML, instead though we've got XHTML (pretty pointless).
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    yeah I agree about the XHTML, who knows though, but I dont know anyone using it.
    I hardly know anyone using XML!

    Ugh this industry is rediculouse sometimes! Changing ever single day.

    I also get frustrated when database admins and network people put flash, fireworks, photoshop and stuff on there resume (specificly when they say, I am not a web designer, and I dont want to be but I know those programs)

    to me it's like, well just cause you know a program, doesn't mean you *know* a program.. or rather can use that tool the way it was ment to be used. If your not a designer then you dont need more then 1 design tool on your resume if it's unrelated and something you wouldnt *really* want to do anways..

    I think it detracts from the other skill's, and confuses the employer peeps.
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    Very true about design tools. Though I don't know about using only 1, I often use a comprimise of features from a couple of software packages. In fact that's something that's very topical here at the moment (here being the place I work). We have a web design team that use Dreamweaver (I don't want to get into that debate over which is best again), I wish they knew how to properly do HTML/javascript as it's a very poor standard web site.

    What I would personally look for is someone who can use HTML, ASP, PHP or Javascript (preferably and not or), I don't care about the packages. For design yes, but for programming no. The thing is most people know about Dreamweaver and Flash so if you say you know them then people go 'oooh' as if it will suddenly mean that your sites will be the epitome of goodness. If you say to some people you can turn PHP inside out then people look at you and say 'what's PHP?' Okay then, from the top.....

    It's like when I first started out my thing was Microsoft Access. I could really turn Access inside out, making it run like something it wasn't ever really meant to do. I go to a job interviewing saying this and what do I get, the reply 'well I think everyone can use Access.' Er, no I would reply, I can really *use* Access, no joy until I had a chance to prove it. I still remember creating a CV for a lass at University, when I was formatting it I looked at what she had under computer skills. Hell, she had more than me... she'd listed every software product she'd ever come into contact.
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    exactly!

    Well if I am a designer of course I should be able to use more then one image editing package, but for a programmer photoshop is ushually safe its like saying, I am familair with image editing programs so if I needed to do something small or quick I could, but database admin listing fireworks dreamweaver and photoshop, it's like over kill and more like.. well ermm.. you wanna do html? haha!

    And yet again your point about if you say them its like ohhhhh you know them and you can make a massiv mutlimedia web page.. when in reality you know how to make a new file, change size, and export ..

    I am a "Web Developer" so I can do code and design, currently I am a designer, but I am responsible for cutting up my site and implamenting it into html, then some DB person comes and puts in some queries for the content and it's done.

    I have had jobs as a scripter doing no design and jobs doing strickly design. It's been a great background because I am strong in both. In design I am good in usability and simplicity, good use of color and space, typography and makiing something that will work with the code.. though I do lack in illustration skills! In code I am a good scripter but I am not strong in programming skills like writting JavaScript functions from scratch, but I can use and edit and maniplute and understand Javascript. it's kind of a neat middle ground because I do have strengths in both, not just general knowledge that can lead to mis-use. I am not a programmer nor do I claim to be, I have general knowledge in it (which again can lead to mis-use when you don't have much experience but claim in on a resume)

    It seems these days every one is a web design, and they show me there home page and it's just scarey. From an obvious standpoint! Like crappy navigation, bad graphics, bad placement, yet they are very sure they are a great web designer because they made one web page.. it just frustrats me.

    It's like.. know your skills.. know your strengths, it's okay to not be as good at one thing as you are another. Be good at SOMETHING not just medicore at everything - IT WILL LEAD TO MIS-USE!

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