September 24th, 2003, 05:52 PM
Jpeg or GIFs? Image compression?
Which is better and why, to use for Webdesign or flash design, or design which requires a smaller file of images. Which is more flexible and more compatible in general as well.
Be blunt about it and as detailed if you can. I am trying to figure out which format to work in. I currently use jpegs and save it for web, but I am so concerned about what quality to use. I currently use 60 as a general rule, but I would like to know what most people use as a general. eg. For images full color I usually use 60, for images with mainly 3 colors 40. I know its see and decide, but theres a general rule that people use that can help me work off. Even with 2 colors I find that some files are bigger depending what colors they are, why? Does anyone know how color affects the size of the file. I want to try to optimise my webdesigns the best I can.
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September 24th, 2003, 06:20 PM
It really depends on the picture you're using. A few rules of thumb:
If it's a photo, go jpg (gif's are limited to 256 colors, and photos often need more)
If it's a drawing, go gif (jpgs tend to create 'artifacts' around the edges of differently-colored elements, and they're pretty obvious and ugly in pics with solid colors)
You shouldn't run into many pic/jpgs you need to run higher than 60, and many will look fine at 30
Don't run gifs lower than 8 colors; you'll start to lose the integrity of your edges
Only run gifs at 256 colors if there's a lot of detail (mainly in shading); if there's a big difference between 256 and 128, you may be better off using jpg
Smaller pics are usually better as gifs, even if they're photos
Remember these are very general rules; your mileage may vary.
Also remember that jpg doesn't support transparency or animation.
September 24th, 2003, 09:40 PM
isnt when ur doing saving for web in photoshop, its only 256 colors in jpegs. is it good to mix n match jpegs and gifs when using it for website designs both in flash or html.
which is better 256 color jpeg or 256 color gifs?
30 quality jpegs looks blotchy though in PS.
How do you prevent gradients to not look so blotchy in thousands of colors, or is it not preventable?
September 24th, 2003, 10:04 PM
Can't help you with flash, but it's often advantageous (if not necessary) to mix jpgs and gifs in html pages.
As for comparing jpg and gif quality: it all depends on the picture. I find 30-quality jpg works fine with most photos -- not perfect, but perfectly acceptable for the file size. For some pictures, a 256-color gif may look better, but the file size is far too high. The same goes for most jpgs over 60 quality.
I have found that for most pics, if I have to go over 60 to make it look decent, I'm usually better off making it a gif. Or just sucking it up for file size and have it not look as nice as I'd like. Again, it depends on what you're working with.
Another thing you can do to help blotchiness in jpgs is a little bit of blurring. You can set it in the save for web properties. I've never been able to set it higher than .2, though, before it's been too blurry for my tastes. But even that little can help with artifacts.
September 25th, 2003, 01:15 AM
in general you make photographs and photograph quality images jpg, other images like text on white or cartoonish looking stuff gifs
jpg keeps track of every pixel
gif keeps track of shapes of color
when using photoshop to create images for websites always 'save for web'. once there it's easy to switch between gif and jpeg, check the size of the output file, the smaller the sized output file is the one to go with. if the gif is using all 256 colors that's a good indication that the image is probably too complex for gif and you should use jpeg.
use 'save for web' to create jpegs, dont go below 60 quality unless it's thumbs or there's some other reason to not care about quality. more and more people have lcd monitors and they require an even higher quality jpeg. i save at 70.
for flash, create a png file for import, flash does its own optimization.
September 25th, 2003, 08:35 AM
i know flash does its own optimisation if u set it, but isnt that not as good as optimising it in photoshop. why do i create a png file for import?
can someone help me with my other questions please.
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