January 4th, 2003, 04:17 PM
Perl Developer Wanted
I am looking for an experienced Perl Developer to program for a web development company on a contract basis. Those with less than three years experience need not apply. If you are interested, please email firstname.lastname@example.org with a resume, portfolio and pricing structure for your work.
January 4th, 2003, 04:41 PM
Those with less than 15 posts need not post haphazardly...
This belongs in the Project Help Wanted forum... have someone move it.
In the meantime... maybe you can answer me this: What's with that stupid idea of "You must have X years' experience to work here"? Obviously, you don't want people who just started yesterday, but I'm willing to bet there are dozens of people out there who are still largely clueless after TEN years working in their field.. especially in programming. Setting an experience limit higher than around a year or so is kind of like saying "Hey! I want someone to come work for me! I don't know what they do, and I don't know how to guage their skill at it, so I'll just shoot for a long time working in it and hope I luck out!".
But then again.. I'm not a PHB, never will be, so maybe I'll just never understand it...
Last edited by Ctb; January 4th, 2003 at 04:44 PM.
January 4th, 2003, 10:15 PM
Thank you for the ignorant post-
Screening potential employees for experience is a very standard business practice thoughout the United States. When you start looking for a job, you'll quickly learn this. Typically, people with more experience are better at what they do.
Please note that those with less than a 15 IQ need not reply...
January 5th, 2003, 03:37 AM
sorry, aaronhall, but I'm with Ctb on this one.
You are the weakest link.
This is me: http://chris.uk.com
January 5th, 2003, 09:41 AM
Obviously neither of these guys are looking for a job. . .
And could someone with an IQ of 15 run a computer? If so, that would explain spammers.
Wish I weren't so swamped, otherwise I might take you up on your offer, aaronhall. What kind of timeline are you on? Things for me clear up in 4-5 months or so. . .
I realize the "can't get a job without experience, can't get experience without a job" conundrum is frustrating. The only remedies are to either: find a company willing to take a risk or, strike out on your own. Aaronhall appears to be risk-aversive (at least experience wise) and that's OK.
Maybe if we all could just be a little less hair-trigger, our respective experiences would pan out better. There are other ways to get your point across, without becoming adversarial.
Feel free to tell me to screw off, if you think I'm being a snapperhead.
January 5th, 2003, 11:48 AM
Sorry for cluttering up your help request with this topic, I just want to respond this one last time then I'll leave it go to its intended purpose...
What's frustrating is that I see people get hired because they have 10 years' "experience" in the IT field that they can leverage, and they get hired by someone who has absolutely no clue how to actually screen potential candidates (not saying you're one - saying I know some of the clueless wonders that do it). Then, when they get on the job, it turns out they're totally clueless, have been for the last ten years, and just never get fired because the person who hired them doesn't want to take the blame for making such a lousy hiring decision.
I just don't understand how having X years of experience is terribly important. Again, I understand that it's important that they've been using a technology for at least some significant portion of time, but once you get past a certain threshhold, what's more important? It seems to me at least that you would want to look at their projects, the successfulness of those projects, and the diversity of those projects. What good would it do to wind up flattening those who have 2 years of solid, intense Perl/ASP experience in web dev on vaious, succesfull projects while allowing people who have used it sporadically for the last 5 years in many failed applications?
I see the benefit in using the year figure as a very quick scan to cut the very inexperienced off the top, but it just seems to me like it would really drop off in usefulness from a certain point.
And you're right, I got snippy quickly because when I see that sort of thing I get frustrated by it Sorry for being such a hot-head - I definitely need to cool off at times before I post... Actually though, even if I had time to work for your project, by my standards I would still be someone who would expect to get cut from the pack. I have ~ 1 year of solid experience in perl - so I know that I don't look like a very safe bet to potential employers. However, I lucked out and got my employer to start using Perl, now I'm trying to milk it for all it's worth.
January 5th, 2003, 01:00 PM
Ctb: thanks for the reply, and for not taking offense my post that could very well have turned this into a flame thread. I think we're both in the same boat about getting hot-headed around posts (as exemplified in my initial reply).
I completely agree with you about the 'limiting applicants by experience' issue. I have known a lot of people claiming 2 to 3 years experience who still don't know their a$$crack from a parenthesis. One of my reasons for limiting applicants was because more experience looks good on the company's info page . I'm very focused on a quality product and only wanted the best of the best - just wanted to skim off those who weren't.
I agree, a year would be a better cut off point - I just wish there was a better way of telling people, "if you suck at programming, don't apply".
Hopefully this doesn't give the impression that I am screening employees based soley on experience. I have been programming for 6 years and did Perl for about one year. To me, their coding style / knowledge of the language mean a hell of a lot more than how long they say they've been programming.
Hero Zzyzzx : Us computer nerds with anger issues do need to vent somewhere, right? lol. If you are still interested when you get free, toss me an email. I don't have any timeframe, just looking for good programmers.
Last edited by aaronhall; January 5th, 2003 at 01:10 PM.
January 7th, 2003, 04:43 PM
I say we settle this with a drinking contest!
January 7th, 2003, 04:55 PM
I say it's your round then
This is me: http://chris.uk.com
January 24th, 2003, 12:35 PM
aaron, if you want the best of the best, post your ad on jobs.perl.org.
worked excellent for me, I got 20 resumes of qualified people.