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#1
February 19th, 2006, 10:34 AM
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Hidden layer
Could anybody suggest me the search engine behaviour if I use hidden layer for search engine optimization.
Please Give me suggestion OJAS R SphereInfo.com
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February 19th, 2006, 11:38 AM
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Personally I think it's a sly trick and I wouldn't want to risk it. I'm sure Googlebot is smart enough to work out it's a hidden div flooded with keywords and might penalise.
it's a gamble i'd not want to take.
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February 20th, 2006, 01:03 AM
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The serach engines will find it, read it and evaluate it without a problem. The problem is when the SPAM catching algorythms that actually do check for these things find out what it is, or one of your competitors reports you to the SE's. This happens all the time.
How often do you see sites with cloaked keywords all through them in top results for more then a couple of days? You can try it, and it may well work for a while, but be prepared for your site to be banned pretty soon. What you have to decide is if the short-term gains will be worth buring that site for, and that's up to you.
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February 20th, 2006, 08:28 AM
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February 20th, 2006, 10:05 AM
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Instead of simply posting and saying "Good Advice", why not click the
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February 20th, 2006, 07:57 PM
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i use this right now on some of my pages and it seems to be alright.
i decided to go this route, because my design and content just don't reflect all the stuff that might be essential for good SEO for my site. i hope that SE's will not penalize me for this ... after all the layers are not full of only keywords..... i tried to have only full sentences and to not use certain keywords too often .... an example of what i mean is here right on the index page: http://www.chocolateriewanders.com/
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February 22nd, 2006, 12:17 AM
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I'm not sure of why you'd want to hide things like that. to me hiding anything that's information like that is hiding things form your visitors, and that's what the SE's don't want to see. Hiding layers has some use. For example, if you have a navigation box that has different layers visible depending on a link that's been clicked. That sort of thing can be acceptable because it's more of a user interface and navigation issue, even though it can still be seen as a cloaking issue. As I said before, try it if you want to, but be aware of the risks that are out there.
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February 22nd, 2006, 09:16 AM
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I have used this technique on a few sites and have been penalized by Google for it. I wouldn't recommend it, Google is getting too smart these days to be fooled by simple tricks like these.
Instead of trying to fool google, you could have a phrase at the top of your page which sums up the content, like: "Xenical is a weight loss drug used to help speed up the slimming processs. etc" Have it in smaller text, but still readable at the very top of your page, near the <body> tag. Also make sure your content is on topic, use h1's, alt tags etc.
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February 22nd, 2006, 02:02 PM
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i think i will make sure that i eliminate those layers then. i only used them in webpages that do not have images on the top anyways, so only on a couple of them ....
better not take any chances 
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March 4th, 2006, 12:08 PM
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Thanks for taking part in this discussion
If I use layer & define it hidden in style sheet. I think google can not read style sheet. Please let me know if google crawl style sheet or not. I am not sure about it. sphereinfo.com
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#11
March 5th, 2006, 04:45 AM
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Probably. It's not very hard. It probably adheres to CSS 2.1 and HTML 4.1 Strict. It might even be able to run Javascript as well -- who knows? Maybe include support for DOM 2. I don't like the idea of screwing with the lowly GoogleBot.
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March 6th, 2006, 12:38 AM
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What you have to understand is that Google and other SE's don't just go purely on CSS styles or other factors to do with colors and visibility alone. All SE's look for blocks of text that doesn't quite suit it's posiiton on the papge, spammy-looking blocks of keywords, etc... all of the things that you'd be using hidden layers to do. Th search algorithms will pick these up and set flags for revision. When it's found, your site WILL suffer. Alternatively, all you need is one or two reports from your compeditors about your tactics, and Google will take a look at your site and see for themselves what you are doing. Once again, your site WILL suffer. It's like I said before... these tactics can work in the short term, but if you use anything like this you will loose the rankings for the domain. It's up to you to decide of it's worth it or not. Do you want ot keep this domain long-term, or do you want to make a couple of $ until you get banned and then start from scratch again? That's basically your two choices. If you want ot keep the domain long-term, don't use these sort of tactics. If you don't mind loosing the domain to bans, then forget about hidden keywords and go reserach some real black-hat techniques. To be hoenst, hidden keyword span isn't worth the time or effort if you're looking to scam the SE's... there's things out there that are a whole lot more effective.
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#13
March 8th, 2006, 07:21 AM
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I've heard Google employees routinely conduct manual spot checks on websites, especially those that get good pageranks. This "hidden layers" thing is not gonna last you long. It's unethical, misleading, and plain bad.
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