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Old May 23rd, 2004, 12:58 AM
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Tips on optimizing my site please.

My site is www.hotlinkhosting.com. My se results for the main search engines are as follows:
1) http://www.google.com/search?source...hotlink+hosting
2) http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=ho...-t&cop=mss&tab=
3) http://search.msn.com/pass/results....ting&FORM=SMCRB
4) http://search.msn.com/pass/results....ting&FORM=SMCRB

1)Only list my tos page...
2)Only list my tos page...
3)I don't even show up on the first page here.
4)I still don't show up here, but all the forums I attend do.

Can you all please help me get my main pages up on the search engines and also have the description words make sense and not be something off my page that doesn't describe my site.

I have heard of using css positioning but I couldn't exactly understand how to do it.
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Old May 23rd, 2004, 01:59 AM
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Where's your metatags?


I'm not even going to address anything else till I see that corrected.

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Old May 23rd, 2004, 04:01 PM
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meta tag has little importance in Google. Rankings is about link text, PageRank (link structure) and keywords and other on-page factors.

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Old May 23rd, 2004, 04:11 PM
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It does help though. Even if there is any truth in google not worring about meta tags, it may help in other search engines, and why not put them in? Whats the disadvantages.

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Old May 23rd, 2004, 11:37 PM
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meta tag has little importance in Google. Rankings is about link text, PageRank (link structure) and keywords and other on-page factors.


Metatags have Major importance.

Your cliche PageRank - Rankings is what I find has no major importance.

If you've had no experience with that yet, I suspect you have a lot to learn about optimising.

It's not about decoration, technobabble, and cliches, it's about seeing search results and hits.

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Old May 24th, 2004, 12:21 AM
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In fact, here's an example for you.

This page has been up for a week or 2, just a preview page really. It's already blown every other site out of the top except smileygenerator.com and that'd be a trick to beat out a site with the keyword in the domain.

This is the cached page from a search for " smileygenerator"

http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache...Generator&hl=en

See any text or " page rank - pr - cliche, cliche, cliche," on that page? NO.

What the results returned were exactly what I had designed my metatags to return.

As you can see here, although the page has changed and evolved since.
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&i...nG=Search&meta=


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Old May 24th, 2004, 12:27 AM
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1) go to secochat or other seo forums to make your point. I can give you a list in case you don't have one.

2) pages on Google's site don't even use metatag (Google think it's important ?

3) metatag was important 3-5 years ago.

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Old May 24th, 2004, 12:36 AM
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You obviously -
didn't check the links, aren't interested in the facts, are convinced that your cliches are the way to go, don't have any personal experience, don't care!


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In fact, here's an example for you.

This page has been up for a week or 2, just a preview page really. It's already blown every other site out of the top except smileygenerator.com and that'd be a trick to beat out a site with the keyword in the domain.

This is the cached page from a search for " smileygenerator"

http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache...Generator&hl=en

See any text or " page rank - pr - cliche, cliche, cliche," on that page? NO.

What the results returned were exactly what I had designed my metatags to return.

As you can see here, although the page has changed and evolved since.
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&i...nG=Search&meta=


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You couls rank # 1 for the term smileygenerator with one link. there are a couple hundred pages in all of G's index that have that term. Ranking for a term that no one uses (and more importantly no one ever searches for) doesn't prove anything.

And you're right about PR, it's not important. PR is a visual gauge of how many links you have coming into your site, nothing more. The links are important, PR is not as it's merely a reflection of links. PR is like a brand name for "inbound link calculator".
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No one searches for? lol ok.

I guess all my stats, results, and data are just imaginary

I might as well pack up my sites and quit cause I'll never be as good as some of you high rollers

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The below i found on a site. I dont think metatags arent that important if a website has alot of content. The domain name is much more important. I mean my website www.trowbridge-wiltshire.co.uk is high as people search trowbridge wiltshire. Think about the domain name carefully, you need one that will include all the keywords a user searches for. Metatags didnt affect my ranking or anything, so for this reason, i think they are becoming used less. Saying that small search engines may use them so it is important you have them. Below is some information i found on a google forum.

<META> TAGS
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Regretfully, I must let you know that for the purposes of Search
Results Ranking, the Googlebot and most other major Search Engines
stopped looking at <meta> tags some time ago, because webmasters tried
to skew their Search Results by "stacking" their meta tags with
hundreds of keywords, many of which were totally unrelated to the
content of the site. While all of your <meta> tags are nice, they
really aren't going to do anything in terms of getting you good
ranking in the Googlebot or other main Search Engines.

However, the latest word is that Google and some other Search Engines
still look at <meta> tags as a way to cross-check the validity of the
actual text on your site, so you do still want to do a good job with
them.

There is another good use for the keyword list (which we'll get to in
a moment), so I would encourage you to expand this list a little bit,
for example:

-----------------------------------------------------------------

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www.trowbridge-wiltshire.co.uk

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No one searches for? lol ok.

I guess all my stats, results, and data are just imaginary

I might as well pack up my sites and quit cause I'll never be as good as some of you high rollers


Where did you get data that shows the term "smileygenerator" is a common search term?

Check World Tracker & Overture search data here: http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/suggestion/

My point was that all the tools available don't show that is a common search phrase, and when you actually search that phrase in Google there are only 300 - 400 pages returned.

I didn't say you shouldn't go for that term, I was just suggesting that it may not bring much traffic and it should be very easy to lock the top spot for that term since there's no competition.

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See any text or " page rank - pr - cliche, cliche, cliche," on that page? NO.

What the results returned were exactly what I had designed my metatags to return.


Metatags and OPT (on page text) are very helpful for keywords and phrases with no competition.

Try getting a page into the #1 spot just using meta tags and on page text for a competitive term like "Ipod". You can't do it. It's impossible.

That's the point I was trying to make. Meta tags and opt are important if there's no competition.

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Hi,

3003online is my site and I want to learn more about search optimisation. Ive gone through a LOT of threads and can see that you guys know a lot about it.

I know meta tags matter, and I know the page title matters, and I can definitely see that external links to your site matter especially for Google

What about the content of the home page though - how many repetetive keywords are acceptable in the home page text?

Also, images - the "alt" tag - do these matter? If so does this count towards the ratio limit for keywords in your home page?

Thanks a lot for your help,
Rish

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Hi,

3003online is my site and I want to learn more about search optimisation. Ive gone through a LOT of threads and can see that you guys know a lot about it.

I know meta tags matter, and I know the page title matters, and I can definitely see that external links to your site matter especially for Google

What about the content of the home page though - how many repetetive keywords are acceptable in the home page text?

Also, images - the "alt" tag - do these matter? If so does this count towards the ratio limit for keywords in your home page?

Thanks a lot for your help,