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Old July 27th, 2005, 04:36 PM
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Add Qmail forum

i really would like to see you splitting up the Mailserver forum into the various systems: Qmail, Postfix, sendmail etc.

especially Qmail: it is such a complex install & config that it absolutely warrants its own category.

anybody wanna second that?

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There's already a Mail Server Help forum. Not to be rude, but what advantage would a Qmail-specific subforum have in this case?
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Agreed, the mail forums is a minor-traffic one. No way we're even gonna split it!

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especially Qmail: it is such a complex install & config that it absolutely warrants its own category.

Go there if you can't find any other reference...


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There's already a Mail Server Help forum. Not to be rude, but what advantage would a Qmail-specific subforum have in this case?


the same advantage than e.g separating MySQL Help from PostgreSQL Help; in fact i would argue the differences between mail servers are infinitely more exaggerated than differences in sql flavours...

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Agreed, the mail forums is a minor-traffic one. No way we're even gonna split it!


point taken. however, that's not to say that there's not a lot of demand for qmail-specific help. by not providing a category, you are making the point that this is not the place to get help on qmail etc; that's reflected in search engine results etc. i would think that this would change after adding the category.

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Go there if you can't find any other reference...


well, no question, there are many sites providing qmail help but should that really be the argument against adding a specific qmail forum here (after all, there a gazillion places for perl help as well)? devshed's user base dwarfs any of these places in sheer size & quality of its help responses.

in any case, doesn't look like there i'll gather much support for this.

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All in one - a definite "NO!".

PERL is just as important of a scripting language as PHP, if not even more. But mail servers all serve the same purpose:
"Bring this message from here to there"
You may argue that this is the same with PHP and PERL, but if you knew any of them, you'd know they're _so_ different. But mail servers are not.

PostgreSQL is very different from MySQL. Only for a beginner they seem to be similar. MySQL is like a "wannabe" compared to Postgres, but his is Off-Topic here and now. To repeat my stance: No way!...

Let these three questions about QMail with those two about Exim and those other some about Postfix go to the same forum. No need for a forums with three posts per month.... IMO

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in any case, doesn't look like there i'll gather much support for this


Manuel & Peter have valid points, and so do you,

so I'd guess your right

If you have explicit differences, where different persons times would be better spent, rather than all the guys/gals who know the funky sh!t, know both anyway, then I'd say it might be a different story.

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Manuel, i see that there's no point in arguing here (was not my intention anyway), but -- FYI -- to say all mailservers are alike is just silly. qmail & sendmail have nothing in common except their basic underlying purpose to "deliver mail"; the differences between Mysql and PostgreSQL are miniscule compared to the vastly different philosophy, approach, installation and setup of these two MTAs.

plus, as a shy 40-posts guy, i will retreat for now and come back to argue when i hit the 1k-posts mark

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Manuel, i see that there's no point in arguing here (was not my intention anyway), but -- FYI -- to say all mailservers are alike is just silly. qmail & sendmail have nothing in common except their basic underlying purpose to "deliver mail"; the differences between Mysql and PostgreSQL are miniscule compared to the vastly different philosophy, approach, installation and setup of these two MTAs.

Yeah, maybe I didn't make my point as well as I should. They are actually very different, but there's only one or two (real) questions per month about mail servers here...
Make it grow, if there's enough distinct problems, I am sure JC (=big boss) will make distinct forums too...

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plus, as a shy 40-posts guy, i will retreat for now and come back to argue when i hit the 1k-posts mark

Bah, do you really have to embarrass me now like that?

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I just want to make it clear that we welcome ideas/suggestions and we implement many of them, but not all of them.

In this case I really like to avoid sub forums when at all possible, as they tend to cause clutter, more work for mods, they are hard to see from the home page, etc

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