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  1. 'fie' on me, allege-dly
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    Hi James,

    Firing line, I get it, and I'm not upset. We all have to do what it takes to survive, but I'm not afraid of audio ads yet, because in my country, we don't have the investment in technology which alienates buyers to both the propogator and the advertiser to make a crusade worth fighting, but when it does, all networks who take my hosts file will see a nice graphic saying "Normal Service... Resumed as soon as we're arsed to be arsed about being normal, right now, empty your pockets to buy this crap you don't need"

    14 mins 30 seconds would suck out all the oxygen of a "standard sized" room, tell me the time of your next team meet, and I'll call you about 5 mins in, could you make sure all heads of network are present ... is probably, exactly what I wouldn't say, in pretty much any situation, .... ... though ....

    This is getting beyond the ridiculous, even for extreme boarders ...
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    Got 3 audio ads just now.
    1. Ad for Mucinex ... followed by ...
    2. Some newsreader from an outfit called marketnewsvideo.com ... followed by ...
    3. Ad for lysol

    They all show up in the bottom right of the page. While I do have headphones and thus the ad isn't blaring out my speakers, I prefer to have Children of Bodom blaring out of my headphones rather than some mucinex ad.
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    Is this a situation where you are contractually unable to not serve up these ads? If not, why not remove them now?

    If you are, and you are not supposed to receive them, then it seems like someone else broke a contract.
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    My guess is since ZDE bought out Devshed, we're just bunched in with a lot of other sites, and we all get 'content' when there isn't sufficient 'content' in line with the site. Probably a deal with a kick back, and when people upstream are making money, then it's all about consuming and sh!tting on the people below. Excuse the analogy, but it's pretty accurate from where I'm sitting ...

    James, are you monitoring the stats for the site, are they on the decline, or the up ... ?
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    Hey,

    We took down the audio ads, so you should no longer see them. We also took down the smiley face/blinking ads as well.
    I'll make sure we monitor those more closely going forward as best I can. Hopefully we won't have the issue again.

    Thanks and sorry once more.
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    Originally Posted by jamespayne
    Hey,

    We took down the audio ads, so you should no longer see them. We also took down the smiley face/blinking ads as well.
    I'll make sure we monitor those more closely going forward as best I can. Hopefully we won't have the issue again.

    Thanks and sorry once more.
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    Thank you.
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    Audio Ads, Ads in general & DevShed Network


    Hi:

    I'll do a more formal intro later. Up until now, I've only been peripheral on DevShed but am now moving full-time into it. However, don't think that I'm able to come in right now every day and address every concern. There's a ton to do, you guys are well aware of, and a short time to do it.

    In the case of audio ads, when you find them we alert the 3rd party ad server. This time, when they did not react (unlike last time), we pulled the offending ads. That seemed to get them moving.

    So we're working here for your enjoyment but don't forget, it's a business. Overlays are a part of the business...expanding ads are part of the business. Even in-page video on auto play (ala espn) is in the business...though we're going to shy away from that in the forums.

    If we break it down, the forums have the leaderboard, the 3 non-standard slots at the top and 2 MPU's at the footer. We do put the overlay up and make it so easy (click the black, click the x, click anything but the ad) to close.

    Message has been clearly received. I hope we can find the right balance of revenue and happiness but like guns & butter it's always going to be a trade off.

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    • kicken agrees : I dont mind most the ads, just the auto-playing videos with sound
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    Originally Posted by jack0
    In the case of audio ads, when you find them we alert the 3rd party ad server. This time, when they did not react (unlike last time), we pulled the offending ads. That seemed to get them moving.

    So we're working here for your enjoyment but don't forget, it's a business. Overlays are a part of the business...expanding ads are part of the business. Even in-page video on auto play (ala espn) is in the business...though we're going to shy away from that in the forums.
    But do those have to be part of the business? Throwing intrusive ads at a tech audience always garners a bad response. There are a plethora of other options available. Is it going to cause that much loss in revenue to eliminate them? Is it a lack of marketing personnel to find advertisers? The membership here is used to ads being painfully scrutinized before every going live. That does not seem to be happening anymore. It appears that everything is being distributed my third-party sources who don't have a clue what site they are actually displaying on. I seen how this all works up close and personal. I realize that ads come unwanted ads are going to come through, but we are regularly getting ads for Lysol and Mucinex and other completely unrelated stuff which seems to imply that there isn't a person filtering these things at all.

    All-in-all, I don't really mind the ads. In the 7+ years I've been a part of these sites I've never browsed with ads disabled. And I actually do click the ones that interest me on the rare occasion they still come through. But the ads lately are very poorly constructed and even worse served. They cause browser crashes, dreadfully long page loads, and an overall horrible experience.

    My suggestions: Lose the dynamic loading JavaScript ads. They load painfully slow. I browse on a high-speed cable connection with a very steady 9Mb downstream. With ads disabled, every page load across these sites is under 2 seconds. With ads enabled, I have never seen a page load under 10 seconds, and most take an excess of 30 seconds if they every load completely. I also experience browser crashes in FF and Safari (various version) on a couple of different systems. Firebug's Net panel shows up to a half a dozen server requests per ad before they load. In some cases, that's just to load the Flash container that dishes out another three or four requests before grabbing content. If I force non-cached page loads I get 30+ second load times consistently. I imagine others are having similar experiences.

    Originally Posted by jack0
    If we break it down, the forums have the leaderboard, the 3 non-standard slots at the top and 2 MPU's at the footer. We do put the overlay up and make it so easy (click the black, click the x, click anything but the ad) to close.
    That's true, but I've had several where the launch code and close function were loaded from separate sources that never downloaded completely. I was completely unable to do anything because the ad never finished loading. I can't speak for how often that happens, but the close function should always load before the display function. That's just good practice.
    Originally Posted by jack0
    I hope we can find the right balance of revenue and happiness but like guns & butter it's always going to be a trade off.
    So do we. Despite some of the moaning, we are all still here.
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    Originally Posted by Nilpo
    But do those have to be part of the business? Throwing intrusive ads at a tech audience always garners a bad response. There are a plethora of other options available. Is it going to cause that much loss in revenue to eliminate them? Is it a lack of marketing personnel to find advertisers? The membership here is used to ads being painfully scrutinized before every going live. That does not seem to be happening anymore. It appears that everything is being distributed my third-party sources who don't have a clue what site they are actually displaying on. I seen how this all works up close and personal. I realize that ads come unwanted ads are going to come through, but we are regularly getting ads for Lysol and Mucinex and other completely unrelated stuff which seems to imply that there isn't a person filtering these things at all.
    Dude, you are preaching to the choir. But in short, yes...eliminating the 3rd party ads would kill the idea of the forums. It doesn't seem like a lot, but it all costs...keeping James in the style he's accustomed to isn't cheap, you know?

    Seriously though, and I'd prefer to keep these convos between us girls but since you asked in public I'll respond in public-- The lysol and mucinex ads were doo doo. We called, they said it was fixed. We left them up. It wasn't fixed. We yanked ALL the MPU's across the entire network to make our position clear and it caught their attention. I don't think it's ever gone down like that, and if/when it happens again I'll throw in that towel on revenue -v- outright obnoxious any day.

    Originally Posted by Nilpo
    All-in-all, I don't really mind the ads. In the 7+ years I've been a part of these sites I've never browsed with ads disabled. And I actually do click the ones that interest me on the rare occasion they still come through. But the ads lately are very poorly constructed and even worse served. They cause browser crashes, dreadfully long page loads, and an overall horrible experience.
    This is the core issue...we can't get great ads because the sites are old construction. HTML5 ads barf on the screen usually thanks to our circa 2005 table structures. It's baby steps, and its only been 8 days for me on the job so cut me some slack, brotha. Check out the main site...notice anything? Less ads. That's the first 8 days, let's talk in 8 weeks and see if its still holding ok.
    Originally Posted by Nilpo
    My suggestions: Lose the dynamic loading JavaScript ads. They load painfully slow. I browse on a high-speed cable connection with a very steady 9Mb downstream. With ads disabled, every page load across these sites is under 2 seconds. With ads enabled, I have never seen a page load under 10 seconds, and most take an excess of 30 seconds if they every load completely. I also experience browser crashes in FF and Safari (various version) on a couple of different systems. Firebug's Net panel shows up to a half a dozen server requests per ad before they load. In some cases, that's just to load the Flash container that dishes out another three or four requests before grabbing content. If I force non-cached page loads I get 30+ second load times consistently. I imagine others are having similar experiences.
    Rendering in tables, laddie. If it's still 10 seconds and the ads are that bad after the redesign, we'll do something ala iFrame them.
    Originally Posted by Nilpo
    That's true, but I've had several where the launch code and close function were loaded from separate sources that never downloaded completely. I was completely unable to do anything because the ad never finished loading. I can't speak for how often that happens, but the close function should always load before the display function. That's just good practice.So do we. Despite some of the moaning, we are all still here.
    We'll get there.

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    Audio ad. For ABC Family in the bottom-right corner.

    There was a video ad in the left corner too, but at least it didn't have a soundtrack.
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    Thanks. I'll get it taken care of.

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    Hey,

    Can you clarify if that was on the site itself, or on the forums? And are you sure it was the right side? Thanks. Any info you can provide would help.

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    I didn't [care to] pay attention to what they were advertising for, but it had the ABC Family logo in the bottom...left? corner of the video.

    It was on the forums, on a page for a thread. Don't remember which though. And yes, the bottom-right corner, opposite a video that had the same styling but just didn't have any sound (muted? seemed like it was supposed to have some).
    If I come across it again I'll post.
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    Seriously, I'm sick of this. Floating "YOU MAY ALREADY BE A WINNER!" ads over the content? Goodbye devshed, it's been fun.

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