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Old January 24th, 2003, 08:06 AM
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Old January 24th, 2003, 11:28 AM
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That's quite a number you just tossed out for bandwidth... forgive me if I'm a little skeptical

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Old January 24th, 2003, 12:20 PM
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No problem. Thank you for your question. It is always a good to find out how such things are avaliable.

We are not first day in business and we do know what we are doing. This is a special. The reason companies run sale or special is to catch attention to their products (reviews, world of mouth, etc.)

Generally spesial go for the price cheaper than product costs, but ... Special not just a product but a part of a marketing plan.

People that attracted with increadible deal become aware of other products offered by the company. In our case reseller hosting, dedicated servers, outsourced support that are priced with normal pricing.

The alternative to spending a lot of money on advertisement is to offer an increadible deal people will talk about. To let people know about your product you can either spend a lot of advertisemnt dollars or just allow your customers to save their money. Such thing is called viral marketing and it works for us.

Moreover this tactics appeal me because we are actually paying part of our marketing budget to our customers (by not charging them) rather than throwing them to advertisement networks.

On the other hand Crasy special is limited offer and it only lasts by 31 January and since it is not an only product we offer it doen't affect our financial stability and brings us more sales of other our plans.

And yes you can completely use your 1 Gb of space and 30 Gb of banwidth as you see below it is well backed with the strategy.

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Old January 24th, 2003, 12:50 PM
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I'm sure you're completely legit, but it does make me a little nervous given that your domain is registered in the Ukraine but you say your servers are in GA (which, according to a little sniffing around I did is true, with my guess being that you are a reseller for netdepot.com aka dv2)

Basically, if things did go bad no one would have any recourse because you live in the Ukraine, apparently. Like I said, I'm sure you're completely legit, given the thorough answer you provided to CTB's post, but these are little confidence shakers.

Your DNS servers are apparently owned by ghandi.net, which redirects to gettingnet.com, which is in turn on a server sitting on an IP owned by allegiance telecom.

Man, what a mess. You must be a reseller of a reseller of a reseller.

My suggestion: get a reseller that give you your own netblock (do they exist? I don't know) and change your DNS servers to be something like ns1.hostony.com. I know that a lot of folks look into where a company comes from before they plop down cash for them.

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Old January 24th, 2003, 02:33 PM
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hi. i have a problem:
some days ago, there was a some guy offering 6GB bandwidth. reading on their homepage, they only offered 6 GB traffic/year but still using the term "bandwidth". you are offering 30GB bandwidth now.
is the term "bandwidth" used differently in the rest of the world or do you really have a 30 gigabit/s line? i only know bandwidth as "bytes/second" or "MHz" in technical terms.
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Thank your for your questions& suggestions. I see your logic.

If you'll scrutinize any hosting company you'll end up claiming they are resellers. It is true as there is no central company owning Internet and all the companies are reselling services and connectivity of each other.

I can name only a few companies who are owning their own backbone (still with peering to other network) their own facilities and sell shared hosting packages to the final customers. The only company I can name is Verso.

Actually there are couple markets above the hosting company.

1. Market of bandwidth providers. There are companies that provide just bandwidth - Above.net, UUnet, Aleron, Epik, Williams, etc.
Good hosting company should provide multihomed bandwidth to assure best connectivity and ping time. So the more bandwidth providers are resold the better connectivity and routes final customer get. Should you blame hosting company for doing this?

2. Facility market. Bandwidth providers put their pipes to the office buildings, ISPs and data centers. Data centers stuff their building s with large number of connections, redundant power strips, air conditioning, etc. If average data center tries to sell its 40000 sq feet by offering shared accounts to the final customers it will take years to fill data center. So it is not practical for data centers to stay profitable selling shared packages. That's why they are selling units in racks , racks, cages to other companies. It allows them to make positive cash flow fast and forms another market - facility market.

3. Web hosting companies locate their servers at data centers and sell them in parts to the final customers as shared accounts or reseller accounts, etc.

So, we do resell products of other companies (connectivity, facilities) as part of our offer, but we are not a reseller of web hosting company.

We locate our servers at dv2/netdepot data center in Atlanta and this allows us to offer multihomed bandwidth, decent facility with redundant everything at affordable price. It is much better than to run hosting company from the basement with single T1 line and be proud that you own a whole a lot. Nowadays business practice are changing to allow hosting companies server their customers better at affordable price.

As for domain name. It is registered with French domain registrar GANDI.net.
They are ICAAN accredited. So they are not resellers of somebody else. Nowadays all ICAAN accredited registrar are equal. So I don't see any difference between Network Solutions and GANDI. We choose GANDI because of the legal contract they have and GANDI was reccomended us by our lawyer. Gandi's contract states that you are an owner of the domain when Network Solutions/ Verisign excluded this from their contracts. Also there are couple more thisngs that makes GANDI highly attractive from the legal point of view.

Our domain reside in GANDI's nameservers as first of all you register a nameserver and than you are able to register nameservers for the domain.

We do nave our own nameservers we issue to our customers. And not only ns1.hostony.com & ns2.hostony.com. We have ns3.hostony.com ns4.hostony.com and even ns5.hostony.com

And also we do provide our resellers with private labeled nameservers.

Does it makes us more professional in your eyes.

As for the fact that gandi.net doesn't own ips for their nameservers I already explained the situation in current internet.

If you don't believe me look at register.com for example. Ips of their nameservers are owned by cable&wireless. It tells me nothing bad about them. Their connectivity and ips are provided by reputable bandwidth provider. Just it.

Now about Ukraine and Atlanta. Our customer support is located in Uktraine and servers are located in US. Marrieta 56, Atlanta if to be exact. We have staff onsite for emergency situation when server cannot boot up, hardware issues and server installations . Other than that all servers managed from Ukraine.

I presume some people will start bitching us for this. But if you PM me I can give you a list of big hosting companies who outsource their support to India, Russia or Philipines.
Again don't see anything bad about it since it allows to provide services at affordable price, because man power in that countries cost less.

Fortune 500 companies do this. Adidas makes sports wear in China. Dell outsource their call center to Philipina, etc. There is no 100% pure US product or service.

The flame that is just starting out is pointless. We all know that there is no country or business that can survive being isolated without partnerships suppliers, etc. Look around. We live at the age of global economy.

I see no reason to hide all the information about the company. We prefer to have loyal customers that won't regret about signing with us just because our domain have nameservers of our domain name registrar, etc.

Purchasing a net block and routing it through third party networks will be done only to hide our real bandwidth and facility providers. We are legit company and we don't host spammers or other materials that may result in number complains to the upper providers. So, I barely see the reason to purchase own net block and hide real bandwidth providers and facility providers. Finally it will just add to our costs and our customers end up paying it out from their pockets.

We try to be as much open to our customers as we can. We run customers forums at hostony and allow them to share information and experience. Most of our customers are happy and most of our business comes through referrals.

So if someone is concerned about something he can go and ask opinion from our existing customers, but there is still no reason to hide something.

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Old January 24th, 2003, 02:54 PM
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There is no problem with this.
If tou'll come to Webster's dictionary you'll find the following explanation for bandwidth


Quote:
the capacity for data transfer of an electronic communications system <graphics consume more bandwidth than text does>; especially : the maximum data transfer rate of such a system


you can find it at the following link:
http://www.m-w.com

So bandwidth in our case means 30 Gigabytes of data transfered each moth.

And yes, hosting companies use to show bandwidth in Megabytes or Gigabytes.

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Old January 24th, 2003, 03:17 PM
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Seems like it is acutally used differently here. German term "Bandbreite" can not be used for GB/month.
For technical stuff, we here in Europe are forced by law to use units of: seconds, kilogramm, meters. But never months. iirc they call it the "SI system".

Thank you, i need to remember this.

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I don't think anyone's flaming you or your service - we're just voicing concerns (all, so far, valid ones). You have to admit, you've picked an industry that has gained a bad rep and is surrounded by a great deal of fraudulent / incompetent companies and individuals, so you have to be ready for a great deal of scrutiny. This is especially true when you're posting advertisements to areas swamped with technical folks, some of whom may have been burned on "too good to be true" deals in the past.

However, I commend you for quickly and competently handling all of the questions we hit you with. I, like M. Hirsch, was under a different impression of the term bandwidth (as in: vs. traffic). However, it seems we just needed a quick lesson in how it was used in different parts of the world. Anyway, good job of handling the questions quickly and intelligently - it's also nice to know you didn't just run in here, post your ad, and never look back like some people do.

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Thanks, Ctb.

Sorry, if I understood somebody's post in a wrong way. I believe devshed.com is a greate community.

Yes, a lot of people come to web hosting and not everybody knowlefgeble and capable to keep up to the standards. A lot of too-good-to-be-true offers, etc. So, it is quite understandable why devshed members scrutinized our offer and company.

Above I explained how we can offer this special. So our offer is true and we are able to deliver wht we promised.

Thank you for all of us who intersted in our offer and helped to make things clear with questions.

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