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Old March 10th, 2003, 02:20 AM
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New to webhosting. HELP!!

Can anyone tell me how can I make my own website. I mean where do i keep apache files. If it is on some web space then I need to upload it there? But what if it on some processor is it have to be on the line always and I have to pay for it?

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Old March 10th, 2003, 02:39 AM
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Hi there

Most Web hosts are paid, although there are some free ones out there. They have their Limitations to paid hosts, but if your willing to put up with them, then they would be a good choice.

Im sure your reffering not to "Apache files" but your Web Pages? These are kept on the server and can be viewed online, even when you are not on the net.

Its basically like buying space on a computer thats ALWAYS online, even when your not

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Old March 10th, 2003, 11:09 PM
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I thought you might be interested in StorageBin, where we provide you with 250 MB space for free with no ads. There are actually a fair amount of free hosts out there now, but most inundate your site with tons of ads and offer limited features. At StorageBin, we're different, offering features even better than those of many paid hosts. Of course, you're probably wondering what the catch is, and I'll tell you now that there is none. We're simply a fairly new company, and by offering our services free will help us become well-known, upon which time we will begin charging new members. Don't worry, we won't ever charge you if you signup now unless you use too much bandwidth. Bandwidth is basically the data transfered from the server (computer the website is on) to the visitor. You won't exceed the limit unless you integrate a lot of multimedia (pictures, video, and sound) into your website or receive thousands of hits (accesses by visitors). Visit us at http://www.storagebin.tk for more info or to signup.

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Old March 11th, 2003, 12:33 AM
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Ok, here's rule #1 about web hosting: RUN AWAY from free hosting.

You want to find yourself a good reliable paid web host. Look around, see which plans fit your requirements, and see what others have to say.

A word about free hsoting. You want a host that will be there for you 24/7 and ten years in the future. If you go down the road of free hosting, be prepared to change hosts a lot and to put up with such aggravations.

mttatkns: You don't need to advertise yourself twice. You already started a thread on it. One question though, what kind of "company" gets no revenue nor has the initial funds to get a $10 domain name? Furthermore, it looks to me, for all I know, that you're hosting your web site on a computer on some kind of consumer broadband connection with a dynamic IP using one of these free forwarding services. On top of that, you promise to give away so much but demand nothing in return. You're setting yourself up for failure and will let down your clients in the end.

I don't see what the big deal about free hosts is. They don't last, they buckle under the stress of too many users. I mean, Geocities works because it gives basic web space and sells advertising. Giving away 100MB+ web sites with scripting and databases is a bit extreme, in my opinion. My suggestion to you, DarkServ would to not waste your time with a free host. You will save yourself hassle in the end. Plus, there are many very cheap reliable web hosts out there. There are other ways than paid hosting, but if you go with paid hosting, you can have the peace of mind that if something goes wrong, they'll fix it. So, it's a lot less for you to worry about, and your site will always be up.

Look around web host directories and see what you can find. I use Hostway, personally. Choosing a web host is a decision you have to make based on your needs. It is complicated and can be daunting, but once you decide on one, it is likely the one you will stick with for some time because it is a pain to switch later on.
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Old March 11th, 2003, 01:33 AM
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Talk about advertising twice: you don't have to mention HostWay in every post you make... And as far as the "hosting without asking anything in return: I already told you the free accounts are a limited time offer aimed for us to become more well-known.

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Old March 11th, 2003, 01:48 AM
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emdenisem: You should search the forums too. There are a lot of posts already on this topic with comments from member's experiences.

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Old March 11th, 2003, 03:27 AM
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Talk about advertising twice: you don't have to mention HostWay in every post you make . . .

First of all, I am not a representative of Hostway, nor did I include my reseller ID in that link because I thought it would be inappropriate. Secondly, that mention is surrounded by suggestions for someone to make the choice themself. The only reason I mentioned it was because, it's true and because seeing what other people use as a host is a good way to find hosts to look at for yourself.

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Old March 11th, 2003, 03:34 AM
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Id just like to clarify that if you re-read the first 2 posts again, i was offering advice, not looking for free hosting

The guy seemed like he was asking "Do i need to pay?" but with the grammar, it was a little hard to comprehend

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Old March 11th, 2003, 04:49 AM
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Ok first about my grammar - I am not from england or other english speaking country. Second look at my profile.

And then thanks for your help. BUT i need to know one thing:

On my copm I keep my apache files in C:\ProgramFiles\Apache
But where do I keep it there(on paid web host). Or i don't need to? Is it already there? If it is, then I just need to upload my html and cgi files(or others).

Can you explain all the process of this job?

Thanks to all people that help me(even if they don't help me)

Thanks again.

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Old March 11th, 2003, 12:13 PM
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Don't worry about the grammar. I think DarkServ was just pointing it out for the others as a reason for the way he replied. Just understand that we may ask for clarification if we don't understand something.

Most hosting companies have an FAQ related to their service that will answer most of these questions. Each company has their server setup a little differently, so you'll have to check your hosting company for the specifics, but I can give you the general idea.

Once you sign up, the company will give you your FTP username and password. You then use those, and an FTP client, to log into the server. With the FTP client, you can then transfer your web and cgi files to their server. Exactly where you put the files will depend on your hosting company. Some use "httpdocs", some use "public_html", some use the directory that is shown when you log on with the FTP client. Once your files are uploaded, then are available to the public via the URL provided by your host, or your own domain name if you got one.

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Old March 11th, 2003, 01:41 PM
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if you know nothing about anything web/computer related. (besides how to install a game =)

Start out with a piece of sh*t free hosting, geocities, angelfire. then you'll get some experience. and you'll get jealous of ad free website, you'll spend hours and days looking for ad free hosting, u'll find it. after a while and more experience u'll want php/mysql, u'll spend hours and days looking for an ad free hosting with php/mysql. lol u won't find any and if u do u wont like something about them. you'll end up paying for your hosting. there's also a stage where u want to host your own site, but that goes away after a week or two lol.

Thats how it was for me, but i'm still a noob. compare to what i knew 2 years ago and now is a lot different. lol i used to make my images with homestead.com(when it was free) wysiwyg by placing stuff on top of other stuff. i was always amazed by images and how they change the website. but there's a whole lot of **** going on where we can't see it in it's fullest. php and such is a way to see. crazy stuff

>> if you like what you do u'll learn things in no time.

then again why am i still a noob

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And then thanks for your help. BUT i need to know one thing:

On my copm I keep my apache files in C:\ProgramFiles\Apache
But where do I keep it there(on paid web host). Or i don't need to? Is it already there? If it is, then I just need to upload my html and cgi files(or others).

The thing about a web host is that they take care of all that. You don't even need to know what Apache is to upload some web pages and have them available as a web site. You'll be just fine.

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Old March 11th, 2003, 06:55 PM
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To put it simply: there are three ways to go:
I) Free host
A) Pay nothing, but you'll probably get limited features or a lot of ads unless you do a ton of looking or find a promotional offer from a paid host (like StorageBin)
B) One or both of the following options may be available to update and upload your website
1) Web-based WYSIWYG (What You See is What You Get) editor
a) You have to be online to edit the site
b) You dont save the files to your computer at all
2) FTP
a) Edit websites on your computer with your own editor, whether it be WYSIWYG or notepad, whatever
b) Save the pages anywhere on your hard drive (or anywhere else on your computer
c) Use an FTP client to upload your files to the host's server

II) Paid host
A) Better reliability
B) Better support
C) No ads
D) FTP
1) Edit websites on your computer with your own editor, whether it be WYSIWYG or notepad, whatever
2) Save the pages anywhere on your hard drive (or anywhere else on your computer
3) Use an FTP client to upload your files to the host's server

III) Host yourself
A) No support
B) You set reliability
C) Pay nothing
D) You save files to the htdocs folder or whatever else your server uses

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A) Pay nothing, but you'll probably get limited features or a lot of ads unless you do a ton of looking or find a promotional offer from a paid host (like StorageBin)
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You're just baiting dotcomguy aren't you?

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Old March 11th, 2003, 10:53 PM
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No, emdenisem signed up for an account with StorageBin, so I wanted to keep it clear that we weren't like the other "free" hosts with all the ads and limited features.

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