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Old August 26th, 2004, 12:25 PM
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www.senseof16.tk baby!!

Hi all,

I've finished the site but I thought that it couldn't hert for some suggestions

www.senseof16.tk

cheers

ps I think that the code in perfect but u could always prove me rong!! - view source and the geocities site is there...

Last edited by jacktasia : August 26th, 2004 at 10:22 PM. Reason: fix url

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Old August 26th, 2004, 01:59 PM
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do not hijack my browser, it is mine! pop-ups and new browsers windows should be used for very specific tasks, never for your whole website.

it's a good first try, but you break, smash and vomit on many of the rules and practices of the internet... i would suggest looking at some popular sites, see what they do, and think about why they don't employ some of your methods.

p.s. never in my life have i seen 'perfect' code

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Old August 27th, 2004, 10:35 AM
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Old August 27th, 2004, 10:40 AM
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well i know plenty of sites that use that javascript popup and I also know plenty of sites that have worse scripting then mine.. but thanks for that comment!. I'm not really sure what you mean by not following the rules of the internet - are you suggesting that I am not W3C compliant? I do not not use soon to be baneshed tags such as the font attribute and I know that none of my javascript have any errors so I do not know what you are talking about... maybe you could provide some evidence?

Code:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<html>

<head>

<script language="JavaScript">
<!--
img1 = new Image();
img1.src = "news.jpg";
img2 = new Image();
img2.src = "band.jpg";
img3 = new Image();
img3.src = "pics.jpg"
img4 = new Image();
img4.src = "links.jpg";
img5 = new Image();
img5.src = "gigs.jpg";
img6 = new Image();
img6.src = "media.jpg";
img7 = new Image();
img7.src = "forum.jpg"
img8 = new Image();
img8.src = "logosensesmall.jpg";
img9 = new Image();
img9.src = "up.jpg";
img10 = new Image();
img10.src = "down.jpg"
img11 = new Image();
img11.src = "red.cur";
//-->
</script>

<script language="JavaScript">
<!--
function movepic(img_name,img_src) {
document[img_name].src=img_src;
}
//-->
</script>

<style type="text/css">
<!--
BODY{cursor:url(red.cur);}
A:hover{cursor:url(red.cur);}
-->
</style>

<style type="text/css">
<!--
 BODY {
scrollbar-arrow-color:ffffff;
  scrollbar-track-color:000000;
  scrollbar-shadow-color:ffffff;
  scrollbar-face-color:ff0000;
  scrollbar-highlight-color:ffffff;
  scrollbar-darkshadow-color:000000;
  scrollbar-3dlight-color:000000;
 }
//-->
</style>

<meta http-equiv="Page-Enter" content="blendTrans(Duration=0.8)">
<meta http-equiv="Page-Exit" content="blendTrans(Duration=0.8)">

<title>News</title>
</head>

<body text="#FFFFFF" bgcolor="#000000">

<div>
<table width="805">
<tr><td align="right">
<img src="senseofsixteenlogo.jpg"></td></tr>
</table>
</div>

<table border="0" cellpadding="0">
<tr>
<td width="118">
<a href="News.html" onmouseover="movepic('img1','news.jpg')" onmouseout="movepic('img1','news1.jpg')">
<img src="news1.jpg" name="img1" border="0"></a></td>
<td width="102">
<a href="Band.html" onmouseover="movepic('img2','band.jpg')" onmouseout="movepic('img2','band1.jpg')">
<img src="band1.jpg" name="img2" border="0"></a></td>
<td width="95">
<a href="Pics.html" onmouseover="movepic('img3','pics.jpg')" onmouseout="movepic('img3','pics1.jpg')">
<img src="pics1.jpg" name="img3" border="0"></a></td>
<td width="130">
<a href="Links.html" onmouseover="movepic('img4','links.jpg')" onmouseout="movepic('img4','links1.jpg')">
<img src="links1.jpg" name="img4" border="0"></a></td>
<td width="105">
<a href="Gigs.html" onmouseover="movepic('img5','gigs.jpg')" onmouseout="movepic('img5','gigs1.jpg')">
<img src="gigs1.jpg" name="img5" border="0"></a></td>
<td width="128">
<a href="Media.html" onmouseover="movepic('img6','media.jpg')" onmouseout="movepic('img6','media1.jpg')">
<img src="media1.jpg" name="img6" border="0"></a></td>
<td width="0">
<a href="http://senseofsixteen.proboards27.com/" target="_blank" onmouseover="movepic('img7','forum.jpg')" onmouseout="movepic('img7','forum1.jpg')">
<img src="forum1.jpg" name="img7" border="0"></a></td>
</tr>
</table>

&nbsp;
<div>
<iframe id="datamain" src="News_frame.html" width="767" height="391" align="top" scrolling=no name="I" border="0" frameborder="0"></iframe>
<div style="position:absolute;left:785;top:226;"> 
<a href="#" onMouseover="scrollspeed=-2" onMouseout="scrollspeed=0"> 
<img src="up.jpg" width="31" height="32" border="0"></a></div> 
<div style="position:absolute;left:785;top:516;"> 
<a href="#" onMouseover="scrollspeed=2" onMouseout="scrollspeed=0"> 
<img src="down.jpg" width="31" height="32" border="0"></a></div>
</div>

</body>

</html>
<noscript>
<script src="http://banner.surfree.com/watermark/watermark.js">


This is the news page

www.fromautumntoashes.com

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Old August 27th, 2004, 12:42 PM
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there are certain rules and practices, unwritten often, which centre mostly around accessibilty and respecting the rights of the user.

just because pop-ups are used by lots of other sites doesn't mean those sites are good. pop-ups take away the rights of the user to to decide how he views the web, your site appears in a pop-up, this takes away my control and thus violates my rights - this is a common web-design sentiment.


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are you suggesting that I am not W3C compliant?


being 'w3c compliant' is also not only a matter of code, but also the uses to which you put code, for example:

The proper use of tables

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baneshed tags such as the font attribute


not using the obsolete font element does not make a site w3c compliant (whatever that means), having mark-up which follows a modern standard such as xhtml 1.0 transitional or above, will go someway towards being 'w3c compliant'.

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I know that none of my javascript have any errors so I do not know what you are talking about


if i were to view your site with javascripts turned off, how far would i get? well... i wouldn't get past your opening page because of the pop-up, this immediately rules out many fearful people who have disabled javascripts

i could probably go on, but you might want to think about some of things i've just tried to detail.

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Old August 28th, 2004, 05:38 AM
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Thanks for your detailed response....

Why does everyone in here, who have had experience with website design always say that that an 'all-site' popup is taking away their 'rights' or 'freedom'? While most other surfers would not regard this site as 'taking away their rights' they would regard it as different and most probably find it altogether pleasing to the eye, which is what the internet is all about is it not?

This site was previously viewed without the use of any popup but when I changed it to what you see before you all of my friends and even two computer technicians said it was more gratifying.

I honestly don't care that someone may try and view the site with javascript disabled, I really don't. You will probably answer with this "you should always try and make your site more acceptable for all surfers". If anyone has disabled javascript they are either slightly insane or - to the point - should not be viewing our site.. If they really wanted to see it they would enable javascript.

Obviously I am only 15 years old - if you had seen our 'pics' page you would have probably noticed... this is the first site I have ever created and all I wanted was someone to point out things I could do to improve the site - not how to re-invent it..

Good day

p.s. I know 'W3C compliant' is not an accepted term but really, I mean if you don't know what compliant means then I feel truly sorry for you...

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now now, he was only saying. like you said, it is your first site; us designers have little grips about web standards and the such, it is nothing personal.

i see you are a bassist like me. well, imagine if somebody said you to "omg! mark hoppus is the best bassist ever!". you'd be annoyed, because, clearly he isn't. it's a bit like that really.

everyone has their own opinion, but no harm or malice was intended. let's not argue.

all my love

matt the lover

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matt is the man!

yeah, thanks alot - I was acting like my ****ing mum! And yeah if someone said Mark was the best bassist in the world I'd slash on their trouser leg

Hay sorry 3 didn't mean to start a war or nothin!!

Pease!

ps. You may have noticed that I was trying to speak like my dad - its the only way to get people to listen to you in here!

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matt is indeed the man

i have no idea who Mark Hoppus is , but thank you anyway.

i'm sorry for being so harsh 36, i'll be nice, pleasess don't pee on my leg!!

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yeah, you know i'm the man. that's right, i AM the man. because i am matt. and why? because matt is the man. look at this equation :

* in the beginning God made 'man'
* therefore, 'man' must be the first and greatest creation
* matt is 'man'
* therefore, matt is the first and greatest creation

* m = man / M = matt / g = greatest creation / f = first creation

m = (g+f)
M = m
M = (m = g+f)
M = (g+f)

i say no more. and craig, just so you know, mark hoppus is the bassist in 'blink 182'...

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